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THE 

SIIMME 



AND 



SUBSTANCE 

OF THE 

CONFERENCE 

Which it pleafed his Excellent Majeftie to have with the 
Lprds Bifliops, and others of his Clergie (at which the 
moil of the Lords of the Councill were prefent) in his 
Majefties Privie-Chamber, at Hampton Court Jan. 14. 
1603. 

CONTRACTED BY 

WILLIAM BARLOW 

DOCTOR OF DIVINITY, AND DEAN OF CHESTER. 



Whereunto are added fome Copies (jcattered abroad) 
unfavory, and untrue. 






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ADVERTISEMENT. 



T3ISH0P Barlow's account of the Hampton- 
-*-* Court Conference, as a fingle trad, is now 
become fcarce, and is not frequently to be 
found entire in books of hiftory, or in collections 
of tracts. It was published about a century ago, 
in a work called the Phoenix; confidered then 
as a tract no where to be found, but in the clofets 
of the curious. The frequent references to it, 
lately made by certain writers, have induced the 
Editors of the " Churchman's Remembrancer" 
to bring forward this interefting Account, in 
full confidence that it will prove an acceptable 
prefent to the public, and be ferviceable to the 
caufe of fober religion. With refpect to the 
authority of the piece as an authentic report of 
the Conference, there has been, as mull; be 
expected, fome little debate ; the adherents to 
the .wprfted party affecting to call in qneftion 
the veracity of the good Biihop, whilil the 
victorious receive it as a true and faithful nar- 
A 3 srative. 



( vi ) 

rative. The objecrions to this account of 
Bifhop Barlow are to be feen in the writings of 
James Peirce, and Daniel Neale. Peirce, in his 
Vindication of the DiiTenters, a work which 
we believe has long enjoyed the rank of a text 
book among that party, confidently fpeaks of this 
Account as a falfe one, and gives a more true 
and exacl one from Mr. Calderwood. He argues 
that Bifiiop Barlow's account cannot be a true 
one, becaufe it reprefents Dr. Raynolds, who 
was celebrated for one of the moft famous 
divines of his age, as talking at the Conference 
in a ftupid, filly, and childim way ; and afferts, 
that the Biihop repented upon his death-bed of 
the wrong he had done Dr. Raynolds and his 
brethren. Neal fays, That this Conference was 
publifhed at large only by Dr. Barlow, who 
being a party, lays Fuller, {et a fharp edge on 
his own, and a blunt one on his adverfaries 
weapons. He quotes Peirce to fhew, that Drs. 
Sparks and Raynolds complained, that they 
were wronged in that relation ; that Dr. Jackfon 
declared that Barlow repented of it upon his 
death-bed ; and that Calderwood, by means of 
Patrick Galloway, has fet things in a different 
light. He further fays from Peirce, (which 
Peirce gives from an old Pamphlet,) u It is 
" very certain that Bifhop Barlow has cut off* 
" and concealed all the fpceches that his 

" M<jeily 



( vii ) 

" Majefty made again!! the corruptions of the 
" Church, and the practices of the Prelates, 
" cScc. That the Puritans objected to the 
" account of the Conference by Dean Barlow, 
" as publiihed without the knowledge, advice 
" or confent of the other fide." (Hill, of the 
Pur. Vol. 1.) So much for the objections 
againft the Account of this Conference, which 
originate for the mod part with Peirce. On 
the other fide of the queftion, we offer the fol- 
lowing obfervations and authorities. 

Peirce boldly calls Bifhop Barlow's, a falfe ac- 
count; but, for ought to be feen in his Vindica- 
tion, there is nothing brought to prove it fo. 
That " Calderwood's mould appear at firft fight 
" vaftly different from Biiliop Barlow's rela- 
ct tion," appears neither ftrange nor at all incre- 
dible ; and furely he would not have us confider 
the mere circumftance of the difference of the 
two relations, as any proof that Barlow's is 
falfe. Calderwood was a Prefbyterian ; he fends 
his brief account, adopted from a letter of Pa- 
trick Galloway, a Prefbyterian, to the Prefby- 
tery at Edinburgh. But we muft not forget, 
that Calderwood's Hiflory is a poflhumous 
work, extracted from materials written by him, 
during his retirement in Holland ; " whither he 
" had been driven by James and his Privy- 
A 4 council, 



f viii ) 

" council, for his lingular obilinacy and info- 
" lence;" fays Skinner. (Eccl. Hid. of Scot- 
land, V. 2. p. 265.) Barlow's Account is not 
the report of himfelf alone, nor of the Confer- 
ence at large, as Neale erroneouily fpeaks. 
He defires the reader to take it " but as an 
" extract, wherein is the fubftance of the 
" whole. Intercourfe of fpeeches, fays he, 
" there occaiioned, would caufe prolixity, 
" without profit. What every man faid, point 
" device, I neither could nor cared to obferve. 
" The vigor of every objection^ with the fum 
ei of each anfwer, I guefs, I mifs not. For the 
" firft day, I had no help beyond mine own ; 
" yet fome of good place and underftanding 
" have feen it, and not controled it, except for 
" the brevity : For the two laft, out of divers 
" copies, I have fele6ied what you fee," viz. 
" thole of the Bimop of London, Deans of 
" Chrift-Church, Winchefter and Windfor, 
" the Archdeacon of Nottingham, and mine 
" own." (See, To the Reader.) Peirce's quo- 
tation from an old pamphlet, produced to 
" throw light" upon the queftion, has not the 
effect upon us, to make us fee our way the bet- 
ter. It is without a name : we cannot there- 
fore appreciate its authority. The defign of it is 
precifely that which might be expected from the 
difappointed party. It complains that " Bar- 

" low's 



( i* ) 

" low's account was publifhed only by the Pre- 
€< lates, who are partial, without the know- 
" ledge, advice or confent, (how extraordi- 
" nary !) of the other fide, and fo (moft 
" clearly!) deferving of no credit; that the 
" minifters were unfairly ufed, &e. And 
" concludes with affirming, that all and every 
il one of the arguments and atfertions pro- 
" pounded in the Conference againft them, 
* c by any Prelate, are moft vain and frivolous; 
" and that they would, if permitted, deliver in 
44 one week's fpace, a full anfwer to any of 
** them." 

This is a bold aifertion, and a very formi- 
dable challenge. But if the ftatement and com- 
plaint of the Puritans had been juft, why did 
they not give the public, as they were in duty 
bound, their fum and fubftance of the Confer- 
ence? If the Bithop's was falfe, why did they 
not fet forth a true and correct account? Yet 
fo it has happened, that no account of any note 
has come down to us, but that of Bifhop Bar- 
low : and this, notwithstanding there were feve- 
ral able men at the Conference, of the Puritan 
party, who filled the country with grievous com- 
plaints of their hard treatment, and of the falfe- 
hood and partiality of the Bifliops' account 

Peirce 



( x ) 

Peirce argues that Barlow's account cannot be 
true, be.caufe he reprefents Dr. Raynolcls, " who 
" was one of the mod celebrated divines of his 
" age," as talking at the Conference in a ftu- 
pid, filly, and chiidifh manner. We are inclined 
to leave Dr. Raynolds's character for learning 
untouched : But it mult be obferved, that this 
very circumftance, of his ftupid and chiidiili 
talking at the Conference, furnifhes an unan- 
fwerable proof of Dr. Barlow's veracity, as an 
hiftorian. For, fays Fuller, (an author who, 
Strype was obliged to confefs, fays Peirce, was 
a little inclined to the Puritans, and therefore 
no objectionable authority with the Vindicator 
of the DhTenters,) " It is generally faid, that 
" Dr. Raynolds fell much beneath himfeif: 
" befules, no wonder, faid the Nonconform 
" mills, that Dr. Raynolds a little loft himfeif, 
li whofe eyes were partly dazzled with the light 
" of the King's majefty, partly daunted with 
' ' the heat of his difpleafure. " (p.. 21.) 

In anfwev to Peirce's affertion, that " Biihop 
" Barlow repented upon his death-bed, of the 
" wrong he had done Dr. Raynolds and his 
" brethren, which, he fays, was attefted by Dr. 
" Henry Jackfon," take the following paffage 
from Heylin's Him of the Prelbyterians. (373.) 
He adopts the Biihops' account without re~ 

ferve, 



( si ) 

ferve, and fays ; " The fum and fubftance of 
this Conference collected by the hand of Dr. 
Barlow, then Dean of Chefter, can hardly be 
abbreviated to a lefTer compafs without great 
injury to the King- and conferees." And 

afterwards, " The truth and honefty of whofe 
collections having been univerfally approved 
above 50 years, hath been impugned of late 
by fome forry fcribblers of the Puritan faction ; 
and a report railed of fome retractation which 
he is fabled to have made at the time of his 
death, of the great wrong which he had 
done to Dr. Raynolds and the reft of the mil- 
lenaries ; the iillinefs of which fiction hath 
been elfe where canvaffed, and therefore not 
to be repeated in this time and place. But 
for the clearing of that reverend perfon from 
lb foul a calumny, we mall not make ufe of 
any other arguments than the words of K. 
James, who tells us, in his proclamation of 
the fifth of March, That he did not con- 
ceal that the fuccefs of that Conference was 
fnch as happeneth to many other things, 
which moving great expectations before they 
be entered into, in their iffue produce fmall 
effects. That he found mighty and vehement 
informations, fupported with fo weak and 
flender proofs, as it appeared unto him and 
his council, that there was no caufe why any 

" change 



( xii ) 

" change mould be in that which was moft im- 
" pugned ; viz. the book of Common Prayer, 
" &c." It is probable that Heylin, when 
he mentions, " that the fillinefs of the ficlion 
" has been elfewhere handled," alludes to his 
Poftfcript at the end of the Quinquarticular 
Hift. in which he mews the very weak ground 
upon which the ftory of Dr. Barlow's repent- 
ing ftands. " Firft, fays he, the man is dead 
" from whom we are to take our greater!: light, 
" in lb dark a bufinefs. Secondly, the credit of 
" the figment refteth on two common vouchers, 
" that is to fay, J. M. and H. I. as eafy to be 
" found, and as honeft folk, as Nicholas Nemo 
li in Utopia, or Madam Charity of the Oude- 
" meon Street in Mantinea. Thirdly, it mud 
" needs feem ftrange to a fober reader, that 
ci this great truth fliould lie concealed, like a 
" fpark raked up in afhes, 55 years, and then 
11 blaze out of a hidden, when it was not 
" thought of. And, fourthly, I had once the 
" happinefs to be exceeding well acquainted 
" with Mailer Thomas Sparks, and Matter 
" William Sparks, the only fons of Dr. Sparks, 
" before remembered; and having had many 
" opportunities of difcourfing with them about 
11 that Conference, and their father's acling in 
" the fame, I never heard the leaft word from 
" either of them, of any wrong done, or fup- 

" pofed 



( xiii ) 

%< pofed to be done, by Dr. Barlow, in drawing 
" up the fubftance and abridgement of it : fo 
" that I doubt not, but that it will appear on 
" the full debate, that Dr. Barlow is more 
4{ wronged in his fame by thefe libellers pam- 
<l phlets, than ever Dr. Raynolds had been in- 
" jured by that learned Prelate." 

Peirce is not fatisfied with running down the 
authority of Barlow, in the unwarrantable man- 
ner we have mewn ; impatient with his ill fuc- 
cefs, perhaps, he contradicts a fact, and oppofes 
to it his probable conjecture. " Dr. Ray- 
" nolds, fays he, (154) was not chqfen by our 
" fide to manage the Conference ; he and the 
" reft were probably pitched upon by the Bifhops, 
" and then called to it by the King." Unfor- 
tunately for the credit of James Peirce, a well 
known Biographer of godly preachers, ililed 
by Calamy, a man of great plain-heartednefs 
and fmcerity, (whom J. P. is not averfe to 
quote upon proper occafions,) thus writes. 
" Chaderton was one of the four divines for the 
" Conference at Hampton Court, chofen by the. 
6e minifiers that defired a reformation in church 
" Government, and for his learning and fuffi- 
" ciency was the fame year chofen to be one of 
" the tranflators of the Bible." (Clarke's life of 
Chaderton, p. 169.) The reader will determine 

what 



( xiv ) 

what degree of refpect. is due .to fuch a writer as 
this. 

Neale, the author of the Hiftory of the Puri- 
tans, follows Peirce's account ; and adopts his 
objections and errors in almoft every particular. 
We obferve no original objections again ft Bar- 
low's account, nor any argument offered to fup- 
port thofe of Peirce, We mention him now, to 
notice one of many difmgenuous tricks, to ferve 
his purpofe and his party. Fuller, in his 
Church Hift. of Great Britain, gives this Con- 
ference in the form of dialogue; reprefenting the 
perfons there prefent, fpeaking in the firft perfon. 
But he appears to follow Bifliop Barlow in the fub- 
ftance of what is related, in all material points. 
At the conclufion he fays, that, " Some Noncon- 
" foi milts complain that this Conference is par- 
" tialiy fet forth onely by Dr. Barlow, Dean of 
" Chefter, their profeffed ad verfary, to the great 
" difad vantage of their divines. And when 
Ci the Ifraelites go down to the Philiftines to 
" whet all their iron tools, no wonder if they 
" fet a lliarp edge on their own, and a blunt 
" one on their enemies weapons." (B. 10. p. 
21.) Now, who but the Puritan Hiftorian, 
could have converted this paffage, into a pofi- 
tive condemnation of Barlow, for partiality? 
Neale's words are thefe, c< Dr. Barlow, being 

" a party 



( xv ) 

*' a party, fays Fuller, fet a fharp edge on 
" his own, and a blunt one on his adverfaries 
*' weapons." The reader will obferve, that 
Fuller fays no fuch thing. He fays that the Non- 
conformifts faid fo. But the Puritan Hiftorian, 
judging perhaps that Fuller's name would cut 
a figure among his Worthies, by this fly trick, 
tit mos eft, et fieri Jblet, makes him at once his 



own 



That valuable Hiftorian Strype, is very ftrong 
and explicit in favour of Barlow's Account. 
" That the very truth might appear, fays he, 
*' there was an authentic relation of it; (viz. 
V the Hampton Court Conference,) written by 
*' one of the divines there prefent, viz. Barlow, 
u Dean of Chefter; and that, by the Arch- 
" bifhop's own order, impofing this work upon 
<l him; which therefore we may conclude was 
" carefully reviewed by himfeif. And that it 
" might be more exacl and compleat, it was 
" compared and enlarged by the writer, (before 
ic it was publifhed,) with the notes and copies 
" of the Bifhop of London, the Deans of 
<( Chrift-Church, Winchefter, Windfor, and 
" the Archdeacon of Nottingham. 

The reader will now be enabled to form a 
judgment for himfeif, with refpecl to the au- 

th en city 



( xvi ) 

thencity of Bifliop Barlow's work. With refpecl 
to ourfelves, when we confider that Bifliop Bar- 
low's account of this famous Conference is 
admitted, by all parties, to be the only one fet 
forth, and is accordingly by all parties continu- 
ally quoted ; that it was fet forth, not upon 
his own authority alone, but with the affiftance 
and allowance of feveral of the great men then 
prefent ; that no objections to the authenticity of 
this account, of any confequence, were brought 
forward for a confiderable time after it took 
place ; and that the heft of thofe objections 
were weakly and fufpicioully urged, and never 
proved ; when we fee two writers on the Puritan 
fide, confeffedly their belt hands, one, quoting 
his author to make him fpeak what he never in- 
tended, another confidently denying what a 
writer of their own affirms to have happened, 
and then proceeding to give a probable conjec- 
ture, in oppofition to a matter of fact : without 
hefitation, we offer this Tract to the notice of 
the public, as well deferving attention ; it has 
paffed the ordeal of its enemies utmoft malice, 
and is found to be a true and faithful work. 



Dec. 17, 18C4. 



( xvii ) 

TO THE 

READER. 

^JIHTS Copy of the Conference in Ja- 
nuary laji 9 hath been long expected, 
and long f nee it was finified : impeachments; 
of the divulging, were many ; two main 
above the reft : one, his * untimely deaths 
who firfi impofed it upon me, with whom is 
buried the famoufeft glory of our Englifh 
Church, and the mofl kind incouragment to 
paines andfiudy : A man happy iit his life 
and death; loved of the beft while he 
lived; and heard of God for his de- 
ceafe; moft earneftly defiririg* not many 
dayes before he was ftroken, that he 
might not (yet) live to fee this Parlia- 
ment, as neer as it was. 

The other, an expectation of this late Co- 

* Archiepifco. Cantuar. 

a mitial 



( xviii ) 

initial Conference, much threatned before, 
and triumphed in by many ; as if that Regal 
and moji honourable proceedings flioidd 
thereby have received his counterblaft, for 
being too forward. But his Majefties Con- 
ftancy having, by the lajl, added comfort 
and jirength to this former, which now, at 
length, comes abroad, therein, good Rea- 
der, thou mayeft both fee thofe huge pre- 
tended Scandals (for which our flourifliing 
Church hath been fo long difturbed) objected 
and removed ; and withall behold the exprejfe 
and vive Image of a moji learned and judici- 
ous King, whoje manifold gifts of Grace 
and Nature, my f cant meafure of gift is not 
able to delineate, nor am I willing to enume- 
rate, becaufe I have ever accounted the per- 
fonal commendation of living Princes, in 
■men of our fort, a verbal Symonie ; Such 
Flies there are too many, which puffe the 
{kin, but taint theflefli. His Majejiies hum- 
ble deportment in thofe fublimities, will be the 
eternizing of his memory, the rather, becaufe 
Kocrarrs^a] roh c\&ov, to digeft lb great Fe- 
licity without furfet of jurquedry, is a vir- 
tue, "are in great perfonages, and that, 

which 



( xix ) 

which the King of Heaven feared, even the 
King of his own choice would want. The 
more eminent he is, in all princely qualities, 
the happier fliall we be : our duty, as we are 
Chrifiians, is Prayer for him ; as we are 
Subjects, Obedience to him ; as we are 
men, acknowledgment of our fettled ftate 
in him ; Our unthankfulneffe may remove 
him, as it did the mirror of Princes, our 
late famous Elizabeth. She re/is with God, 
the Phoenix of her ajlies reignes over us, and 
long may he fo do to Gods Glory, and 
the Churches good, which his excellent know- 
ledge beautifieth, and government adjoyned 
will beatific it. An hope of this laji we con- 
ceive by his written BatriXixov : a Specimen 
of the other, in this Interlocutory Confer- 
ence : whereof take this, which is printed, 
but as an Extract, wherein is the Subftance 
of the whole. Intercourfe of fpeeches, there 
occafioned, would caufe prolixity zmthout pro- 
jit : what every man faid, point devife, I* 
neither coidd, nor cared to obferve ; the vi- 
gor of every objection, with the fumme of 
each anfwer, I gueffe I mifje not : For the 
firjl day, I had no help beyond mine own ; yet 

a 2 me 



( w ) 

fome of good place and underftanding, have 
feen it, and not controlled it, except for the 
brevity : for the two laft out of divers * Co- 
pies, I have feJeSted and ordered what you 
here fee : in them all, next unto God, the 
Kings Majejiy alone muft have the Glory : 
Yet to fay, that the prefent State of our 
Church, is very much obliged to the reverend 
Fathers, my Lords of London and Winton, 
their pains and dexterity in this bufnejfe, 
were neither detraction from other ; nor 
flattery of them. His Highneffe purpofed 
to eompofe all quarrels of this kind, 
hereby, and fuppofing He had fettled all mat- 
ters of the Church, it pleafed him fo iofig- 
'life by Proclamation after it was done : 
hit there is a triple generation in the 
11 oriel, of whom the Wifeman fpeaheth, -f- 
Marry I fay nothing (for even private 
fpeeclies cannot now paffe without the fmeer 
qf a Black Cole.) In one rank whereof 
you may place our Hercules Limbomaftix, 

* Ep. Lond: Deancs of Chrillch. Wincheft. Windfor. 
Archdea. Nottipgh. ?-nd mine own. 

+ Fro. 30. 12. 13, 14. 

whom 



( xxi ) 

whom it might have pleafed, without this 
Gnathonicall appeal, to have rejied His 
Majejiies determination, and being a Synop- 
tical Theologue lv irXmh, and angry that 
he was not, jo, kut Ittito^tiv, have learned 
the difference in Divinity, between viam Re- 
gis, and, viam gregis. 

Many Copies of divers forts have been 
fcattered and fent abroad, fome partial, fome 
untrue, fome flanderous. What is here fet 
doztm, for the truth thereof fliall be jufli- 
fied : the onely wrong therein, is to his Ex- 
cellent Majejly, a fy liable of whofe admira- 
ble fpeeches, it was pitty to lofe, his words 
as they were uttered by him, being as Solo- 
mon fpeaket h, * like Apples of Gold, with 
pictures of Silver ; and therefore I requeji 
thee, good Reader, when thou commefi to 
any of his Highneffe fpeeches, to turn Mar- 
tial his Apoftrophe upon me. 

Tu male jam recitas, incipit effe tuus, 

and I mil take it kindly. If thou be honefi, 

* Pro. 25. 1 u 

and 



( xxii ) 

and courteous, thou wilt rejl fatisfied, and 
that is my content : to lay a pillow for a 
Dog> forts neither with my leifure, nor pur- 
pofe. Farewell. 

Thine in Chrift Jeftu. 



W. Barlow, 



THE 



FIRST DAYES 

CONFERENCE, 



''Tp H E day appointed was, as by his Majejlies 
-*• Proclamation we all know, Thurfday the 
the 12. of January, On which there met at 
Hampton Court by nine of the clock, all the 
Bifhops and Deanes, fummoned by letters^ 
namely, the Archbiihop of Canterbury, the Bi- 
fhopsof London, Durham, Winchester, Worcefter, 
S. Davids, Chichefter, Cartel, and Peterborow ; 
the Deanes of the Chapell, Chrifts-Church, Wor- 
cejier, Wefiminfter, Pauls, Chefier, Win for, 
with Doctor Field, and Doctor King, Arch- 
Deacon of Nottingham : who though the night 
before, they heard a rumor that it was deferred 
till the fourteenth day, yet according to the 
firft fummons, thought it their duty to offer 
themfelves to the Kings prefence, which they 
did, At zvkich time it pleafed his Highneffe to 

B fguifie 



( 2 ) 

jignlfie unto the Bijhops, that the day having- 
prevented, or deceived him, he zvould have them 
return on Saturday next following : On which 
day, all the Deanes and Doctors attending my 
Lords the Biihops, into the prefence Chamber, 
there we found fitting upon a form, Doctor 
Reinolds, Doctor Spar Ices, Mailer Knexvflubs, 
and Mafter Chaderton, Agents for the Millenary 
plaintifTes. The Biihops entring the privy 
Chamber, flared there, till commandement 
came from his Majefxy, that none of any fort, 
ihoukl be prefent, but only the Lords of the 
Privie Council, and the Biihops, with fiv&. 
Deanes, viz. Of the Chapel, JVejiminjler, Pauls, 
Weftchefler, Saii/bury, who being called in, the 
door was clofe ihut by my Lord Chamberlain. 

After a while, his excellent Majefty came in, 
and having paffed a few pleafant gratulations 
with fome of the Lords, he fat down in his 
Chair, removed forward from the cloth of State 
a pretty diftance ; J V here, beginning with a moji 
grave, and Princely Declaration of his general 
drift in calling this ajfembly, no novel device, but 
according to the example of all Chriftian Princes, 
who in the Commencement of their Reign, 
ufually take the firfi cour/e for the ejlablifhing of 
the Church, both for Doctrine, and Policie, to 
which the very Heathens themfelves had relation 

hi 



( 3 ) 

in their Proverb, A Jove Prhieipium, and par- 
ticularly, in this Land, King Henry the 8. to- 
ward the end of his Reign ; after him King Ed- 
ward the 6. mho altered more ; After him Queen 
Mary, who rcoerfed all ; And laft the Queen of 
famous Memory, fo his Highneffe added (for it is 
worth noting, that his Majefty never remembred 
her, but with fome honourable addition) who fet- 
tled it as now it Jiandeth ; Wherein, he /did that 
he was happier than they, in this, becaufe they 
were fain to alter all things they found ejiabUJJied, 
but he faw yet no caufe fo much to alter, and change- 
any thing, as to confirm that which he found well 
fetled already ; which jiate as it feemed, fo affected 
his Royal heart, that it pleafed him both to enter 
into a gratulation to Almighty God, (at zvhick 
words, he put off his hat) for bringhg him 
into the promifed Land, where Religion zvas 
purely profeffed, where he fate among grave 
learned and reverend men, not> as before, elfe- 
where, a King without State, without Honour, 
without Order, where beardleffe boyes would brave, 
him to his face, and to affure us, that he called 
not this affembly for any Innovation, achiowledg- 
ing the government Ecclefiaftical, as now it is, to 
have been approved by manijold bleffings from God 
himfelf. both for the increafe of the Gofpel, and 
with a mofi happy and glorious peace ; yet becaufe 
nothing could be fo abfolutely ordered, but fome- 
thing might be added afterzvard thereunto, and in 
B 2 any 



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any State, as in the body of man, corruptions 
might infaijibly grow, either through time or per- 
fons : and in that he had received many com- 
plaints, Jince his firji enterance into the King- 
dome, efpec'mlly through the dijjentions in the 
Church, of many diforders, as he heard, and 
much difobedience to the Laxves, with a great 
falling away to Popery ; his purpofe therefore 
was, like a good Phyjician, to examine and try 
the complaints, and fully to remove the occajions 
thereof, if they prove fcandalous, or to cure them, 
if they were dangerous, or, if but frivolous, yet 
to take knoxv ledge of them, thereby to cajl a fop 
into Cerberus his mouth, that he may never bark 
again, his meaning being, as he plea fed to pro- 
fejje, to give factious fpirits, no occafwn hereby, 
of boa fling or glory, for which caufe he had called 
the Bifnops in, fever ally be themfelves, not to be 
confronted by the contrary opponents, that if any 
thing Jhould be found meet to be redrejfed, it 
might be done, (which his Majefty twice, or 
thrice as occafion fcrved, reiterated) without any 
vijiblc alteration. 

And this was the firm, fo far as my dull head 
could conceive and carry it, of his Majejlies gene- 
ral fpcech. In particular he Jignified unto them 
the principul matters, why he called them alone, 
with whom he would confult about fome fpecial 

points. 



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points, wherein himfelf defired to be fatisfied ; 
theft he reduced to three heads : Firft, concern - 
ing the Book of Common-Prayer, and Divine 
Service ufed in this Church. Second, Excommu- 
nication in the Ecclefiajiical Courts. Third, the 
providing of fit and able Miniftersfor Ireland. 

In the Book he required fatisfaclion about three 
things. Firft, about Confirmation ; firft for the 
name, if arguing a Confirming of Baptifm, as if 
this Sacrament without it were of no validity, 
then were it biafphemous : Secondly, for the ufe, 
firft brought upon this occajion; Infants being 
Baptized, and anfwering by their Patrini, it was 
necefjary they Jhould be examined, when they 
came to yeares of difcretion, and after their pro- 
fejjion made by themfelves, to be confirmed with a 
Bleffing, or prayer of the Bijliop, laying his 
hands upon their heads, abhorring the abufe in 
Popery, where it was made a Sacrament and cor- 
roboration to Baptifm. 

The fecond was for Abfolution, which how we 
ufed it in our Church, he knew not, he had heard 
it likned to the Popes pardons, but his Majefties 
opinion was, that, there being only tzvo kinds 
thereof from God, the one general, the other 
particular: for the firft, all Prayers, and 
Preachings do import an Abfolution : for the fe- 

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cond, it is to be applied to [pedal parties, wh& 
having commit ed a fcandal, and ixpenting, are 
abfolved-: otherwife, where there precedes not 
either excommunication, or penance, there needs 
no abfolution, 

- The third was private Baptifm, if private for 
place, his Majefty thought it agreed with the life 
of the Primitive Church; if for per fans, that 
any but a lawfull Minijter might Baptize any 
where, he utterly difliked ; and in thu point his 
Highneffe grew fomewhat earneft againjl the Bap- 
tizing by Women and Laikes. 

The fecond head was Excommunication, wherein 
he offered two things to be considered of, frji, the 
matter : fecond, the perfon. In the matter, frft, 
xohether it zvere executed (-as it is complained) in 
light caufes ; fecond, whether it were not ufed too 
often. In the Perfons, frft, why Laymen, as 
Chancellors and Commijjaries jliould do it ? fe- 
cond, why the Bijhops themfelves, for the more 
dignity to fo high and iveighty a cenfure, jhould 
not take unto them, for their affiflants, the Dean 
and Chapter, or other Minifters, and Chaplains 
&f gravity and account : and fo likewife in other 
cenfures, and giving of Orders, &c. 

The laft for Ireland, his Majefty referred, as 

you 



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you fhall in the laft dayes Conference hear, to 
a confultation. His Highneffe (to whom I 
offer great wrong, in being as Phocion to De- 
wiofthenes, xoVic-twv \oyw the Hatchet to cut 
ihort fo amiable a fpeech) having ended, the 
Lord Arch-Bifhop, after that, on his knee, he 
had fignified how much this whole Land was 
bound to God, for fetting over us a King, fo 
wife, learned, and judicious, addrelTed himfelf 
to enform his Majefty of all thefe points in their 
feveral order. 

And firft, as touching Confirmation, he 
fhewed at large the antiquity of it, as being ufed 
in the Catholique Church ever fince the Apof- 
tles time, till that of late fome particular 
Churches had unadvifedly rejected it. Then he 
declared the Lawful ufe of it, agreeable to his 
Majefties former fpeech, affirming it to be a meer 
calumniation, and a very untrue fuggeftion, if 
any had informed his Highneffe, that the 
Church of England did hold or teach, that 
without Confirmation, Baptifm was un perfect, 
or that it did adde any thing to the vertue, and 
ftrength thereof. And this he made manifeft by 
the Rubricks in the Communion Book fet before 
Confirmation, which were there read. 

My Lord of London fucceedcd, faying, that 
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the authority of Confirmation, did not depend 
onely upon the Antiquity and practice of the 
Primitive Church, which out of Cyprian, Ep. 
73. and Hieron. adverfus Luciferian. he mewed, 
but that it M'as an inflitution Apoftolical, and 
one of the particular points of the Apoftles Ca« 
techifm, fet clown and named in expreffe words 
Heb. 6. 2. and fo did Mailer Calvin expound 
that very place, who wiihed earneftly the refti- 
tution thereof in thofe reformed Churches, 
where it had been abolifhed. Upon which 
place the Bifhop of Carleil alfo infilled, and 
urged it both gravely and learnedly. His Ma- 
jefty called for the Bible, read the place of the 
Hebrews, and approved the expojition. 

Something alfo the Bifhop of Durham noted, 
out of the Gofpel of Saint Matthexv, for the im- 
pofition of hands upon Children. The conclu- 
fion was, for the fuller explanation, that we 
make it not a Sacrament, or a corroboration to 
a former Sacrament, That it Jliould be confidered 
of by their Lordjhips, whether it might not, 
without alteration (whereof his Majejly was Jlill 
very wary) be intituled an Examination xvith a 
Confirmation, 

Next in order, was the point of Abfolution, 
which the Lord Arch-Bimop cleared from 

all 



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all abufe, or fuperftition, as it is ufed in our 
Church of England: reading unto his Majefty, 
both the Confeffion in the beginning of the 
Communion Book, and the Abfolution fol- 
lowing it, wherein, (faith he) the Minifter doth 
nothing elfe but pronounce an abfolution in ge- 
neral. His Highneffe perufed them both in the 
Book it felfi liking and approving them, finding it 
to be very true, which my Lord Arch-Bijhop 
[aid; But the Bifhop of London ftepping for- 
ward, added, it becometh us to deal plainly 
with your Majefty : there is aifo in the Com- 
munion Book, another more particular and per- 
fonal form of abfolution, prefcribed to be ufed 
in the order for the Vifitation of the fick ; this 
the King required to fee, and whilft Matter 
Dean of the Chapel was turning to it, the faid 
Bifhop alleged, that not only the Confeffions of 
Augujia, Boheme, Saxon, which he there cited, 
do retain and allow it, but that Matter Calvin did 
alfo approve fucli a general kind of Confeffion, 
and Abfolution, as the Church of Englan d ufeth, 
and withall, did very well like of thofe which 
are private, for fo he terms them. The faid 
particular Abfolution in the Common Prayer 
Book being read, his Majejty exceedingly well ap- 
proved it, adding, that it was Apofolical, and a 
very good Ordinance, in that it was given in the 

name 



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name of Chrift, to one that defired it, and upon 
the clearing of his confcience. 

The Conclufion was, that it fhould be con- 
fulted of by the Biihops, whether unto the Ru- 
brike of the general Abfolution, thefe words, 
Remiffion of fins, might not be added for ex- 
planation fake. 

In the third place, the Lord Arch Biiliop pro- 
ceeded to fpeak of Private Baptifm, mewing his 
Majefty, that the adminiftration of Baptifm by 
Women and Lay-perfons was not allowed in the 
praclice of the Church, but enquired of, by 
Bifhops in their Vintation, and cenfured ; nei- 
ther do the words in the Book inferre any fuch 
meaning : Whereunto the King excepted, urging 
and pr effing the words of the Book, that they 
could not but intend a permiffion, and Suffering 
of Women, and private perfons to Baptize. Here 
the Bifhop of Worcefter faid, that indeed the 
words were doubtful, and might be preffed to 
that meaning, but yet it feemed by the contrary 
praclice of our Church, (cenfuring Women in 
this cafe) that the compilers of the Book did 
not fo intend them, and yet propounded them 
ambiguoufly, becaufe otherwife, perhaps, the 
Book would not have then palled in the Parlia- 
ment, (and for this conjecture, as I remember, 

he 



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he cited the teftimony of my Lord Arch Bifliop 
of York':) whereunto the Bifliop of London 
replied, that thofe learned and reverend men, 
who framed the Book of Common Prayer, 
intended not by ambiguous termes to de- 
ceive any, but did, indeed, by thofe words in- 
tend a permiffion of private perfons, to Bap- 
tize in cafe of necevuty, whereof their Letters 
were witneffes, fome parts whereof he then read, 
and withall declared that the fame was agreeable 
to the practice of the antient Church ; urging 
to that purpofe, both Act. 2. Where 3000. 
were Baptized in one day, which for the Apof- 
tles alone to do, was impofiible, at leaft impro- 
bable ; and befides the Apoftles, there were then 
no Bifhops or Priefts : And alfo the authority of 
Tertidlian, and Saint Ambrofe in the fourth to 
the Ephejians, plain in that point, laying alfo 
open the abfurdities and impieties of their opi- 
nion who think there is no necefhty of Baptilm, 
which word Neceffity, he fo prefixed not, as if 
God without Baptifm could not fave the child ; 
but the cafe put, that the ftate of the Infant, 
dying unbaptized, being uncertain, and to God 
only known ; but if it die Baptized, there is an 
evident aiTurance, that it is faved. Who is he 
that having any Religion in him would not 
jpeedily, by any means, procure his child to be 
Baptized, and rather ground his action upon 

Chrifts 



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Chrifts promife, than his omiffion thereof, upon 
Gods fecret judgment ? 

His Majefty replied, firft to that place of the 
A&s, that it was an Act extraordinary, neither 
is it found req fining from things done before a 
Church be fetled and grounded, unto thofe which 
are to be performed in a Church flabliJJied and 
fiourijhing : That he alfo maintained the necefity 
of Baptifm, and atomies thought, that the place 
of S. John, Nifi quis reiiatus fuerit ex aqua, 
Sec. Was meant of the Sacrament of Baptifm, 
and that he had fo defended it againfi fome Mini- 
Jlers in Scotland, and it may feemft range to you 
my Lords, faith his Majefty, that I, who noxc 
think you in England gite too much to Baptifm, 
did 14 Moneths ago in Scotland argue with my 
Divines there for a/bribing too little to that holy 
Sacrament. Infomuch that a pert Minifter ajked 
■me, if I thought Baptifm fo neceffary, that if it 
were omitted, the child JJiould be damned ? I an- 
petered him, No, but if you, being called to Bap- 
tize the Child, though privately, Jhould refufe 
to come, I think, you Jliall be damned. But this 
necefjity of Baptifm, his Majefty fo expounded, 
that it was neceffary to be had, where it might be 
lawfully had, id eft, minifired by lawful Mini- 
fters, by whom alone, and by no private perfon, 
he thought it might not, in any cqfe be admi- 

niftred; 
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niftred; and yet utterly dijliked all rebaptiza- 
toin, although either Women or Laikes had 
Baptized. 

Here the Bifhop of Winchefter fpake very 
learnedly, and earnestly, in that point, af- 
firming, that the denying of private perfons, 
in cafes of neceflity, to Baptize, were to croft 
all Antiquity, feeing, that it had been the an- 
cient and common practice of the Church, 
when Minifters at fuch times could not be got, 
and that it was alfo a rule agreed upon among 
Divines, that the Minifter is not of the EtYence 
of the Sacrament. His Majejiy anfzvered, 
though he be not of the E fence of the Sacrament, 
yet is he of the E fence of the right and laxvful 
Minijiry of the Sacrament, taking for his ground 
the commifion of Chrift to his Difciples, Mat. 28. 
20. Go Preach and Baptize. 

The ifTue was a confultation, whether into 
the Rubrick of Private Baptifm, which leaves it 
indifferently to all Laikes or Clergy, the words, 
Curate or lawful Minifter, might not be in- 
ferted, which was not fo much ftuck at by the 
Bifhops. And fo his Majejiy proceeded to the 
next point, about Excommunication, in caufes of 
lefer moment : Firft, zohether the name might 
not be altered, and yet the fame Cenfure be re- 
tained T 



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ta\ntd : Or fecondly, whether in place of it, 
another Coercion equivalent thereunto might 
not be invented and thought of. A thins; verv 
eafily yielded unto of all fides, becaufe it had 
been long and often defired, but could not be 
obtained from her Majefty, who refolved to be 
ftill femper eadem, and to alter nothing which flic 
had once fetled. 

And thus the Wednesday fucceeding, being 
appointed for the exhibiting of their determina- 
tions in thefe points, and the Monday next im- 
mediately following this prefent day, for the 
Opponents to bring in their Complaints, we 
were dif miffed after three hours, and more 
fpent ; which, were foon gone; fo admirably, 
both for underftanding, fpeech, and Judgement, 
did his Majefiy handle all thofe points, fending 
us away, not with contentment only, but afto- 
niihment, and, which is pitiful, you will fay, 
with ihame to us all, that a King brought up, 
among Puritans, not the learnedft men in the 
World, and fchooled by them ; fwaying a King- 
dom full of buiinefTe, and troubles, naturally 
given to much exercife, and repaii, mould in 
points of Divinity mew himfelf as expedite and 
perfect,, as the greateft Scholars, And moji induf 
trlous Students, there prefent, miglit not out /trip 
h'un. But this one thing I might not omit, that 
8 his 



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his Majefty fhould pitfejfe, howfoever he Iked 
among Puritans, and was kept, for the mojl 
part, as a Ward under them, yetjince he was of 
the age of his Sonne, ten years old, he ever dis- 
liked their opinions, as the Saviour of the World 
faid, Though he lived among them, he was not 
of them. 



Finis primas diei, 



THE 



THE 



SECOND DAYES 

CONFERENCE. 



ON Monday, January fixteen, between 11. 
and 12. of the clock, were the 4. Plan- 
titles called into the privy Chamber, (the two 
Biflrops of London, and TVinchefter being there 
before) and after them all the Deanes, and 
Doctors prefent, which had been fummoned, 
Pair. Galloway fometime Minifter of Perth in 
Scotland, admitted alfo to be there, the Kings 
Majcfty, en t ring the Chamber, prefently took 
his Chair, placed as the day before (the noble 
young Prince, fitting by upon a ftool) where 
making a mort, but a pithy and fweet fpeech, 
to the fame purpofe, which the firft day he 
made, viz. Of the end of the Conference, 
meet to be had he fold by every King, at his firft 
entrance to the Crown ; not to innovate the Go- 
vernment prefently eftabUJJied, which by long ex- 
perience 



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perknce he had found accompli/hed with fo Jingil* 
lav blejjings of God, 45. yeares, as that no 
Church upon the face of the Earth more flou- 
rijhed, than this of England. But frf to fettle 
uniform order through the whole Church. Se- 
condly, to plant unity for the fupprefjing of Fa- 
pifts and enemies to Religion. Thirdly, to amend 
abufes, as natural to bodies politick, and corrupt 
man, as the jhadow to the body, which once being 
entred, hold on as wheels, his motion once fet go~ 
ing. And becaufe many grievous complaints had 
been made to him, jince his firfl entrance into the 
Land, he thought it beft to fend jor fome, whom 
his Majefty underfiood to be the mofl grave, 
learned and modefi of the agrieved fort, xvhom 
being there prefent, he was now ready to hear at 
large, what they could objeEt or fay ; And fo 
willed them to begin : Whereupon they four 
kneeling down, Dr. Reinolds the foreman, after 
a fhort Preamble gratulatory, and -fignifying his 
Majefties Summons, by vertue whereof, they 
then and there appeared, reduced all matters 
difliked, or queflioned, into thefe four heads, 

1. That the Do&rine of the Church might 
be preferved in purity according to Gods 
Word. 

€ Q. That 



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g. That good Paftors might be planted in all 

Churches to preach the fame. 

3. That the Church government might be fin- 
cerely miniftred, according to Gods Word. 

A. That the Book of Common Prayer might 
be fitted to more increafe of Piety. 

I, For the firfl, he moved his Majefty, that 
the Book of Articles of Religion, concluded, 
1562. might be explained in places obfeure, 
and enlarged where fome things were defeclive. 
For example, whereas A&. 16. The words are 
thefe : After we have received the holy Ghoft y 
we may depart from Grace: Notwithstanding, the 
meaning be found, yet he defired that, becaufe 
they may feem to be contrary to the Doctrine 
of Gods Predeftination and election in the 17. 
Article, both thofe words might be explained 
with this, or the like addition, Yet neither to- 
tally, nor finally ; and alfo that the nine afler- 
tions Orthodoxal as he termed them, concluded 
upon at Lambeth, might be inferted into that 
Book of Articles. 

&. Secondly, where it is faid in the 83 J Arti- 
cle, that it is not lawful, for any man, to take 
upon him the office of Preaching or adminiliring 

the 



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the Sacraments, in the congregation, before he 
he lawfully called, D. Rein, took exception to 
thefe words, In the Congregation, as implying 
a lawfulneffe for any man whatfoever, out of the 
Congregation, to preach and adminifter the Sa~ 
craments ; though he had no lawful calling 
thereunto. 

3. Thirdly, in the 25. Article, thefe words 
touching Confirmation, grown partly of the 
corrupt following the Apoftles, being oppofite to 
thofe in the Collect of Confirmation in the Com- 
munion Book, upon whom after the example of 
the Apoftles, argue, faith he, a contrariety 
each to other ; the firft, confeffing Confirma- 
tion, to be a depraved imitation of the Apof- 
tles; the fecond, grounding it upon their ex- 
ample, Acl. 8. and 9. as if the JBifhop in Con- 
firming of children, did by his impofing of 
hands, as the Apoftles in thofe places, give the 
vifible graces of the holy Ghoft, and therefore 
he defired that both the contradiction might be 
confidered, and this ground of Confirmation 
examined. 

Thus farre Doctor Rein, went on without any 

interruption : But, here, as he was proceeding, 

the Bifhop of London, much moved to hear thefe 

men ? who fome of them the Evening before, 

C 2 and 



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and the fame morning, had made femblance, of 
joining with the Bifhops, and that they fought 
for nothing but unity, now flrike to overthrow, 
(if they could) all at once, cut him off, and 
kneeling down, mofl humbly defired his Ma- 
jefly, firft, That the ancient Canon might be 
remembred, which faith, that Schifmatici contra 
Epifcopos, non funt audiendi. Secondly, that 
if any of thefe parties w r ere in the number of 
the thoufand Miniflers, who had once fub- 
fcribed to the Communion Book, and yet had 
lately exhibited a Petition to his Majefly, 
againfl it, they might be removed and not 
heard, according to the Decree of a very anci- 
ent Councel, providing, that no man mould be 
admitted to fpeak againfl that, whereto he had 
formerly fubfcribed. 

Thirdly, he put D. Reinolds and his Aflbci- 
ates in minde, how much they were bound to 
his Majefties exceeding great clemency, in that 
they were permitted, contrary to the Statute, 
1 Ellz. to fpeak fo freely againfl the Leiturgy 
and Difcipline eftabliflied. Laflly, forafmuch 
as that he perceived they took a courfe tending 
to the utter overthrow of the orders of the 
Church, thus long continued, he defired to 
know the end which they aimed at, alleging a 
j3*<*e out of Mafler Cartwright, affirming that 

we 



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we ought rather to conform ourfelves m orders 
and Ceremonies to the fafhion of the Turks, 
than to the Papifts; which Pofition he doubted 
they approved, becaufe, contrary to the orders 
of the Univerfities, they appeared before his 
Majefty in Turky gownes, not in their Schohfti- 
cal habits, forting to their degrees. 

His Majefty perceiving my Lord of London to 
/peak in fome pqfjion, [aid, that there was in it 
fomething which he might excufe, fomthing thai 
he did rniflike : excufe his paffion he might, think- 
ing he had juft caufe to be Jo moved, both in re- 
fpecl, that they did thus traduce the prefent well 
fetled Church Government ; and alfo, did proceed 
in fo indirect a courfe, contrary to their own pre- 
tence, and the intent of that meeting alfo : yet 
he mi/liked his fudden interruption of D. Rein. 
whom he Jhould have fuffered to have taken his 
courfe mid liberty, concluding, that there is no 
order, nor can be any effectual iffue of difputa- 
tion, if each party might not be fuffered, with- 
out chopping, to fpeak at large what he would. 
And therefore willed that either the Doclors 
Jhould proceed, or that the Bijhop would frame 
his anfwer to thefe motions already made : al- 
though, faith his Majefty, fome of them are very 
needleffe : It was thought fitter to anfwer, left 
C 3 the 



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the number of objections in creating, the anfwers 
Would prove confufed. 

Upon the firft motion, concerning falling 
from Grace ; The Bifhop of London took occa- 
fion to figmfie to his Majefty, how very many 
in thefe daies, neglecting holiiieffe of life, pre- 
fumed too much of perfifting of Grace, laying 
all their Religion Upon Predeftination, If I mail 
be faved, I mall be faved ; which he termed a 
defperate Doctrine* mewing it to be contrary to 
good Divinity, and the true doctrine of predef- 
tination, wherein we mould reafon rather a fern- 
dendo, than defcendendo, thus ; I live in obedi- 
ence to God> in love with my neighbour, I 
follow my vocation, 8$c. Therefore I truft that 
God hath elected me, and predeftinated me to 
Salvation : Not thus, which is the ufual courfe 
of argument, God hath predeftinated and cho* 
fen me to life, therefore though I fin never fo 
grievoufly, yet I fhall not be damned : for 
whom he once loveth, he loveth to the end. 
Whereupon he mewed his Majefty out of the 
next Article, what was the doclrine of the 
Church of England, touching Predeftination, in 
the very laft Paragraph, SciL We muft receive 
Gods promifes, in fuch wife, as they be general- 
ly fet forth to us in holy Scripture and in our do- 
ings, that the will of God is to be followed, which 
8 we 



( 23 ) 

we have exprefly declared unto us in the word of 
God : which part of the Article his Mqjejiy very 
well approved, and after he had, after his man- 
ner, very fingularly difcourfed on that place of 
Paul, Work out your Salvation with fear and 
trembling; he left it to be conjidered, whether 
any thing were mete to be added, for the clearing 
of the Doctor his doubt by putting in the word 
often, or the like, as thus, We may often depart 
from Grace ; but in the mean time, wifhed thai 
the Doclrine of Predeflination might be very 
tenderly handled, and zvith great difcreiion, left 
on the one fide, Gods omnipotency might be called 
in queftion, by impeaching the doclrine of his eter- 
nal predeftination, or on the other, a defperate 
prefumption might be arr eared, by inferring the 
necefjary certainty of flanding, and perfijling in 
grace. 

To the fecond it was anfwered, that it was a 
vain objection, becaufe, by the Doclrine and 
practice of the Church of England, none, but a 
licenced Minifter, might preach, nor either 
publikely or privately adminiftered the Eucha- 
rift, or the Lords Supper, And as for private 
Baptifm, his Majefty anfwered, that he had ta- 
ken order for that with the Bijhops already. 

In the third point (which was about Confir- 
C 4 aeration) 



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matton) was obferved either curiofity, or malice, 
becaufe the Article which was there prefently 
read, in thofe words; Thefe five commonly 
called Sacraments, that is to fay, Confirmation, 
Penance, Orders, $$c. are not to be accounted 
for Sacraments of the Gofpel, being fuch as 
have grown partly of the corrupt following the 
Apoftles, S?c. Infinuateth, that the making of 
Confirmation to be a Sacrament, is a corrupt 
imitation ; but the Communion Book, aiming 
at the right ufe, and proper courfe thereof, 
make it to be according to the Apoftles exam- 
ple ; which his Majefty obfervijig, and reading 
both the places, concluded the objection to be 
a meer cavil. And this was for the pretended 
contradiction. 

Now for the ground thereof, the Bilhop of 
London added, that it was not fo much founded 
upon the places in the Acts of the Apoftles, 
which fome of the Fathers had often fhewed ; 
but upon Heb. 6 2. Where it is made, as the 
firft day he had faid, a part of the Apoftles Ca- 
techifm ; which was the opinion, befides the 
judgment of the holy Fathers, of Mafter C#/- 
vin, and D. Fulke, the one upon Heb. 6. % as 
upon Saturday he had declared ; the other upon 
Acts* 8. verf. 27. where with S. Auguftine, he 
faith that we do not, in any wife miflike that an- 

tient 



( ss ) 

tient Ceremonie (of impofition of hands, for 
ftrengthning and confirming fuch as had been 
Baptized,) but ufe it in ourfelves, being nothing 
elfe, but as Saint Auften affirm eth, Prayer over 
a man to be ftrengthened and confirmed by the 
holy Ghoft : or to receive increafe of the gifts 
of the holy Ghoft, as Saint Ambrofe faith ; and 
a little after alludeth unto Heb. 6. % <§y\ Nei- 
ther need there any great proof of this (faith my 
Lord) For confirmation to be unlawful, it was 
not their opinion, who objected this, as he fup- 
pofed ; this was it that vexed them, that they 
had not the ufe thereof in their own hands, 
every Paftor in his Parifh to confirm, for then it 
would be accounted an Apoftolical inftitution ; 
and willed Doctor Rein, to fpeak herein what he 
thought : who feemed to yeild thereunto, re- 
plying that fome Dioceffe of a Bifhop, having 
therein fix hundred Parifh Churches (which 
number caufed the Bifhop of London to think 
himfelfperfonally touched, becaufe inhisDiocevTe 
there are 609, or there abouts) it was a thing 
very inconvenient to commit confirmation unto 
the Bifhop alone, fuppofing it impoffible that he 
could take due examination of them all, which 
came to be confirmed. To the fac~r, my Lord 
of London anfwered, for his Majefties informa- 
tion, that the Bifhops in their Vi fi tat ions, give 
out notice to them, who are dellrous either to 

be 



( 26 ) 

be themfelves or to have their children con- 
firmed, of the place where they will be; and 
appoint either their Chaplaines, or foine other 
Ministers, to examine them which are to be 
confirmed, and lightly confirm none, but either 
by the teftimony, or report of the Parfons or 
Curates where the children are bred, and 
brought up. To the opinion he replied, that 
none of ail the Fathers ever admited any to con- 
firm but Bifhops alone ; yea even Saint Jerome 
himfelf, though otherwife no friend to Bifhops, 
by reafon of a quarrel betwen the Biihop of Jt- 
rufalem and him, } T et confeffeth, that the execu- 
tion thereof was retrained to Biihops only, Ad 
Jionorem potius Sacerdotii, quam ad legis neceffita- 
tem. V/hereof, namely of this Prerogative of 
Biihops, he giveth this Reafon, Ecclejice falus in 
fummi Sacerdotis dig nit ate pendii ; cut Ji non 
exors qu&dam 8$ ah omnibus emmens detur po- 
iejias, tot in Ecclejiis efficerentur fcifmata, quot 
Sacerdotes. My Lord Biihop of JVincheJier 
chalenged Doctor Reynolds, willing him, of his 
learning, to fhew where ever he had read, that 
Confirmation was at all ufed in ancient times by 
any other but Bifhops ; and added withal), that 
it was ufed, partly to examine Children, and 
after examination, by impofition of hands 
(which was a Ceremonie of bleffing among the 
Jexvs) to bleffe them and pray over them : and 

partly 



( 27 ) 

partly to try whether they had been Baptized in 
the right form or no. For in former ages Bap- 
tifm was adminiftred in divers forts : fome save 
it, In nomine patris 8§ filii, fyc. Others, In 
nomine pat?is majoris, &f filii minoris, as the Ar- 
rians did ; fome, In nomine patris per filiian, in 
fpiritu fanBo ; Others not in the name of the 
Trinity, but in the death of Chrift, 8$c. Where- 
upon the Catholick Bifhops were conftrained to 
examin them who were Baptized in remotis, far 
from them, how they were taught to believe, 
concerning Baptifm ; If it were right, to con- 
firm them ; if amiife, to inftrucl; them. 

His Majefty concluded this point, firft by 
taxing Saint Jerome for his aiTertion, that a Bi- 
fhop was not Divince ordinationis (the Biihop of 
London thereupon, inferring, that unlelTe he 
could prove his ordination lawful out of the 
Scriptures, he would not be a Biihop 4 hours) 
Which opinion his Majefty much diftqfted, ap- 
proving their calling and ufe in the Church, and 
clofed it up with this Jhort Aphorifm, No Bifliop, 
no King. Secondly, for Confirmation, his High- 
neffe thought, that it forted neither with the au- 
thority* nor decency of the fame, that every ordi- 
nary Pqftor fiiould do it : and therefore faid, 
that for his part, he meant not to take that from 
the Bifhops \ which they had fo long retained and 

injoyed; 



( M ) 

injoyed; feeing as it plea fed him to addc, as great 
reafon, that none Jhould confirm without the 
Bijhops licence, as none JJiould preach without his 
licence, <§* fo referring, as the day before, the 
word Examination, to be added to the Rubrich in 
the title of Confirmation in the Communion Booh, 
if it were thought good fo to do ; he willed Doctor 
Rein, to proceed. 

Who after that he had deprecated the impu- 
tation of Schifm, with a proteftation, that he 
meant not to gall any man ; goeth on to the 
37. Article, wherein he faid thefe words, The 
Bifhep of Rome hath no authority in this Land, 
not to be furncient, unlefTe it were added, nor 
ought to have. Whereat his Majefty heartily 
laughed, and fo did the Lords : the King add- 
ing an anfwer, which the Rhetoricians call, 
lytoTipa eXe^x?**' i ^'hat fpeak you of the Popes 
Authority here? Hab emus jure quod hah emus ; 
And therefore, in as much as it is faid, he hath 
not, is is plain enough, that he ought not to 
hare. 

This, and fome other motions, feeming to 
the King and Lords very frivolous, occafion was 
taken, in fome by-talk, to remember a certain 
defcription, which Mafter Butler of Cambridge 
made of a Puritan, viz. A Puritan is a Protef- 

tant 



( 29 ) 

tant frayed out of his wits. But my Lord of 
London, there ferioufly put his Majefty in mind 
of the fpeeches, which the French EmbatTadour 
M after Rogne gave out concerning our Church 
of England, both at Canterbury after his arrival, 
and after at the Court, upon the view of our fo* 
lemn Service and Ceremonies ; namely, that if 
the reformed Churches in France had kept the 
fame Orders among them which we have, he 
was affured that there would have been many 
thoufands of Proteftants more there, than now 
there are ; and yet our men ftumble and {train 
at thefe petty quillets, thereby to difturb and 
difgrace the whole Church. 

5. After this, the Doctor moved that this 
proportion, The intention of the Minifrer is 
not of the Eifence of the Sacrament, might be 
added unto the Book of Articles, the rather, 
becaufe that fome in England had preached it 
to be etfential. And here again he remembred 
the nine Orthodoxal aftertions concluded at Lam- 
beth. His Majefty utterly difliked that jirji 
part of the motion for tzvo reafons : Firft, think- 
ing it unfit to thrift into the Book every pofttion 
negative, which would both make the Book [well 
into a Volume as big as the Bible, and alfo con- 
found the Reader : bringing for example the 
courfe of one Mafter Craig in the like cafe in 

Scotland, 



( 30 ) 

Scotland, who with his, I renounce and abhdr, 
his deteftations and abrenuncaiions, did fo amaze 
the Jimple people, that they, not able to conceive 
all thofe things, utterly gave over all, falling 
back to Popery, or remaining JIM in their former 
ignorance. Yea, if I, faid his Majefty, Jhould 
have been bound to his form, the confejfion of my 
faith mufi have been in my Table-Book, not in my 
head. But becaufe you fpeak of Intention, faith 
his Highneffe, I will apply it thus. If you come 
hither zvith a good intention, to be informed, and far 
tisfi ed where you JJiall find juft caufe, the whole work 
will fort to the better effect ; But if your inten- 
tion be to go as you came (whatfoever Jhall be 
faid) it will prove that the Intention is very ma- 
terial, and effential to the end of this prefent 
a8io?z. To the other part for the nine Affer- 
tions, his Majefty could not fuddenly anfwer, 
becaufe he underftood not what the Doctor 
meant by thofe Aflertions or proportions at 
Lambeth ; but when it was informed his Ma- 
jefty, that by reafon of fome controverfies, arif- 
ing in Cambridge, about certain points of Divi- 
nity, my Lords Grace aiTem bled fome Divines of 
efpecial note, to fet down their opinions, which 
they drew into nine Aflertions, and fo fent them 
to the Univerfity, for the appearing of thofe 
quarrels; then his Majefty anfwered ; Firfi, 
that when fuch queftions arife amopg Scholars, 

the 



( 31 ) 

the quieted proceeding were, to determine them 
in the Univerflties, and not to fluff the Book with, 
all conclufions Theological. Secondly, the bet- 
ter courfe would be to punifh the broachers of 
falfe Doctrine, as occafion fhould be offered : 
for were the Articles never fo many and found, 
who can prevent the contrary opinions of men 
till they be heard ? 

Upon this the Dean of Paules kneeling down, 
humbly defired leave to fpeak, fignifying unto 
his Majefly, that this matter fomewhat more 
nearly concerned him, by reafon of a contro- 
verfie between him and fome other in Cambridge* 
upon a proportion, which he had deliverd 
there ; Namely, that whofoever (although before 
juflifled) did commit any grievous fin, as Adul- 
tery, Murder, Treafon, or the like, did be- 
come, ipfo fa8o, fubject to Gods wrath, and 
guilty of damnation, or were in flate of damna- 
nation (quoad pr&fentem Jiatum) until! they re- 
pented; adding hereunto, that thofe which 
were called or juftified according to the purpofe 
of Gods Election, howfoever they might, & did 
fomtimes fall into grievous fins, and thereby into 
the prefent flate of wrath and damnation ; yet 
did never fall, either totally from all the Graces 
of God to be utterly deflitute of all the parts 
and feed thereof, nor finally from justification, 

but 



( 32 ) 

but were in time renewed by Gods Spirit unto a 
lively Faith, and Repentance ; and fo juflified 
from thofe fins, and the wrath, curfe and guilt 
annexed thereunto, whereinto they are fallen, 
and wherein they lay, fo long as they were 
without true repentance for the fame. Againfi 
which Doctrine, he faid, that fome had oppo- 
fed, teaching, that all fuch perfons as were 
once truely juftified, though after they fell into 
never fo grievous fins, yet remained flilljuft, or 
in the ftate of juflification, before they actually 
repented of thofe fins ; yea, and though they 
never repented of them, through forgetfulneffe 
or fudden death, yet they mould be juftified and 
faved wihout repentance. In utter diflike of 
this Doclrine, his Majefty entred into a longer 
fpeech of Predeftination, and reprobation, than 
before, and of the neceffary conjoyning repentance 
and holinejfe of life with true faith : concluding, 
that it was hypocrifie, and not true juftifying 
faith, which was fevered from them : jor al- 
though Predejiination and Election depend not 
upon any qualities, actions, or works of man, 
which be mutable, but upon God his eternal and 
immutable decree and purpofe; yet fuch is the ne- 
ceffity of repentance, after known Jins committed, 
as that*, without it, there could not be, either 
reconciliation with God, or remij/ion of thofe 
fins. 

$ Next 



( 33 ) 

Next to this, Doctor Remolds complained, 
that the Catechifm in the Common Prayer 
Book, was too brief, for which one by Mafler 
Nozvel late Dean of Pauls was added, and that 
too long for young Novices to learn by heart : 
requefted therefore, that one uniform Catechifm 
might be made, which, and none other, might 
be generally received ; it was demanded of him, 
whether if, to the fhort Catechifm in the Gom- 
munion Book, fomething were added for the 
Doctrine of the Sacrament, it would not ferve ? 
His Majefty thought the Doctors requeft very 
reafonable : But yet fo, that he would have a 
Catechifm in the fewejl and plaineji affirmative 
terms that may be : taxing withal the number of 
ignorant Catechifms fet out in Scotland, by every 
one that was the Sen of a good man : infomuch 9 
as that which was Catechifm Doctrine in one Con~ 
gregation, was in another fcarcely accepted as 
found and Orthodox, wijhed therefore, one to be 
made and agreed upon, adding this excellent^ 
gnomical and Canon-like Conclufion, that in re- 
forming of a Church, he would have two rules 
obferved. Firjl, that old, curious, deep and in- 
tricate quefiions might be avoided, in the Funda- 
mental injlruStion of a people. Secondly, that 
there Jhould not be any fuch departure from the 
Papifa in all things, as that becaufe we in fome 

D points 



( 34 ) 

points agree with them, therefore wejhould be ac- 
counted to be in error. 

To the former, Doclor Remolds did adde the 
prophanation of the Sabbath day, and contempt 
of his Majeflies Proclamation, made for the re- 
forming of that abufe, of which he earneftly de- 
fired a ftraighter courfe for reformation thereof, 
and unto this he found a general and unanimous 
affent. 

7. After that, he moved his Majefty, that 
there might be a new Tranflation of the Bible, 
becaufe, thofe which w r ere allowed in the Reign 
of King Henry the Eight, and Edward the fixt, 
were corrupt, and not anfwerable to the truth 
of the Original. For example, firft, Galatians 
4. 25. the Greek word a-vroix^ is not well trans- 
lated, as now it is ; Bordereth, neither expref- 
fmg the force of the word, nor the Apoftles fence, 
nor the Situation of the place. 

Secondly, Pfalm 105. 28. They were not 
obedient ; The original being, They were not 
difobedient. 

Thirdly, Pfalm 106. vcrfe 30. Then flood 
up Phinees and prayed, the Hebrew hath, Ex- 
ecuted judgment. To which motion, there 
was, at the prefent, no gainfaying, the objec- 
tions 



( 35 ) 

tions being trivial, and old, and already in 
print, often anfwered; only my Lord of London 
well added, that if every mans humour fhould 
be followed, there would be no end of tranlla- 
ting. Whereupon his Highneffe wijhed, that 
fome fpecial paines fhould be taken in that behalf 
for one uniform translation (profeffmg that he 
could never, yet, fee a Bible well tranjlated in 
Englifh, but the worji of all his Mqjejly thought 
the Geneva to be) and this to be done by the beji 
learned in both the Utiiverjities, after them to be 
reviewed by the Bijhops, and the chief learned of 
the Church ; from them to be prefented to the 
Privy Councel ; and laftly, to be ratified by his 
Royal Authority. And jo this whole Church to 
be bound unto it, and none other, Mary$ 
withall, he gave this caveat (upon a word cafi 
out by my Lord of London) that no Marginal 
Notes Jhould be added, having found in them 
which are annexed to the Geneva tranjlation 
(which he faw in a Bible given him by an Englifh 
Lady) fome Notes very partial, untrue, feditious, 
and favouring too much of dangerous, and trai- 
terous conceits. As for example, the firft Chap- 
ter of Exodus and the nineteenth Verfe, where the 
Marginal Note alloweth Difobedience unto Kings. 
And % Chro. 15, 16. the note taxeth A&'for 
depqfing his Mother, only, and not killing her : 
And fo cojtcludeth this point as all the reft, with 
a grave and judicious advice. Firft, that errors 

J) % in 



( 36 ) 

in matters of Faith might be re&ified and 
amended. Secondly, that matters indifferent 
might rather be interpreted, and a gloffe added; 
alleging from Bartolus de regno, that, as better 
a King with fome xceakneffe, than fill a change ; 
fo rather a Church with fome faults, than an In* 
novation. And furely, faith his Majefty, if 
thefe be the greateft matters you be grieved with, 
I ?ieed not have been troubled with fuch importu- 
nities 8f complaints, as have been made unto me ; 
fome other more private courfe might have been 
taken for your fatisfa&ion, and withall, looking 
upon the Lords, hefhook his head, /hilling. 

8. The lafl point (noted by Doctor Reinolds) 
in this firft head, for Doctrine, was, that un- 
lawful and feditious Books might be fuppreffed, 
at leaft reflrained, and imparted to a few : for 
by the liberty of publifhing fuch Books, fo com- 
monly, many young Scholars and unfetled 
minds in both Univerfities, and through the 
"whole Realm, were corrupted and perverted ; 
naming for one inftance, that Book entitled, 
De jure Magiftratus in Subditos, published of 
late by Ficleruc a Papift, and applied againft the 
Queens Majefty that lafl was, for the Pope : 
The Bimop of London fuppofing, as it feemed, 
himfelf to be principally aimed at, anfwered, 
firft, to the general, that there was no fuch li- 
centious divulging of thofe Books, as he imagin- 
1 ed, 



( 3? ) 

ed, or complained of, and that none, except 
it were fuch as Doctor Rein, who were fuppofed, 
would confute them, had liberty by authority to 
buy them: Again, fuch Books came into the 
Realm, by many fecret conveiances, fo that 
there could not be a perfect notice had of their 
importation : Secondly, to the particular in- 
dance of Ficlerus, he faid, that the Author De 
jure, §€. was a great Difciplinarian ; whereby 
it did appear, what advantage that fort gav€ 
unto the Papifts, who mutatis perfonis, could 
apply their own Arguments againfl Princes of 
the Religion : but for his own part he faid, he 
detefted both the Author, and the Applier alike. 
My Lord Cicill here taxing alfo the unlimited 
liberty of the difperfmg and divulging thefe Po- 
pifh. and feditioois Pamphlets, both in Pauls 
Church-yard, and the Univerfities, inflanced 
one lately fet forth, and published; namely, 
Speculum Tragicum, which both his Majefty and 
the Lord H. Howard, now Earl of Northampton, 
termed a dangerous Book both for matter and 
intention : and the Lord Chancellor, alfo divid- 
ing all fuch Books into Latine and Englijk, 
concluded, that thefe lad, difperfed, did mod 
harm : yet the Lord Secretaire affirmed, that 
my Lord of London had dene therein what 
might be, for the fuppreffing of them ; and that 
he knew no man elfe, had done any thing iu 
D 3 that 



( 3B ) 

that kind but he. At length, it pleafed his ex- 
cellent Majefty, to tell Doclor Rein, that he. was 
a better College-man than a States man ; for if 
Ms meaning were, to tax the Bijhop of London, 
for fuffering thofe books, betxveen the Secular 
Prieft, and Jefuites, lately publijhed, fo freely to 
to paffe abroad ; His Majefty would have him and 
Ms Affociates to know, and willed them alfo to ac- 
quaint their Adherents and Friends abroad there- 
with, that the [aid BiJJiop zvas much injured and 
flandered in that behalf, who did nothing therein, 
but by warrant from the Lords of the Councel, 
whereby, both a Schifm between them was nou- 
rifhed, and alfo his Majejlies own caufe and 
Title handled : The Lord Cicil affirming there- 
unto, that therefore they were tolerated, be- 
caufe, in them, was the Title of Spain confu- 
ted. 

The Lord Treafurer added, that Doctor Rei- 
nolds might have obferved another ufe of thofe 
Bookes, viz. that now by the teflimony of thofe 
Priefts themfelves, her late Majefty and the 
gtate were cleared of that imputation, of put- 
ting Papifls to death for their confciences only, 
and for their Religion, feeing, in thofe Books, 
they themfelves confefs, that they were execu- 
ted for Treafon. Doclor Reinolds excufed him- 
|fclf ; expounding his complaint, not meant of 

fuch 



( 89 ) 

fuch Books, as had been printed in England, 
but fuch as came from beyond the Seas, as 
Commentaries both in Philofophy and Divinity. 
And thefe were the parts of the firil head, con- 
cerning Purity of Doctrine. 



™ i • ^ « C Refident, 

louchinff Paitors < T ^ i 

& ( Learned, 



To the fecond general point concerning the 
planting of Minifters learned iii every Parifli : 
It pleafed his Majefty to an fiver, that he had con- 
Jalted with his Bifhops about that, whom he found 
willing and ready, to fecond him in it : inveigh- 
ing herein, againji the negligence and carelefneffe, 
which he heard of many in this land; but, as 
Subita evacuatio, was periculofa, fo fubita mu- 
tatio. Therefore this matter was not for a pre- 
fent refolution, becaufe to appoint to every Parifh 
a fufficient Minijter were impqffible, the U?iwerji- 
ties would not afford them. Again, he had 
found already, that he had more learned men in 
this Realm, than he had fufficient maintenance 
for ; So that maintenance mvft firft be provided, 
and then the other to be required i In the mean 
time, ignorant Minifters, if young, to be remo- 
ved, if there were no hope of their amendment ; 
if old, their death muji be expected, that the next 
D 4 courfc 



( 40 ) 

courfc may be better fupplied : And fo concluded 
this point, with a moil Religious and Zealous 
proteftation, of doing fomething dayly in this 
cafe, becaufe Jerufalem could not be built up in 
a day. The Bifhop of JVinchejier made known 
to the King, that this infufficiency of the 
Clergy, be it as it is, comes not by the Biihops 
defaults, but partly by Lay Patrons, who pre- 
fent very mean men to their cures; whereof, 
in himfelf, he fhewed an inftance, how that 
fince his being Bifhop of JVinchejier, very few 
Mailers of Arts were prefented to good Bene- 
fices ; partly, by the Law of the land, which 
admitteth of a very mean tolerable fufficiency 
in any Clerk, fo that if the Bifhop iliould not 
admit them, then prefently, a Quare impedit is 
fent out againft him. 

Here my Lord of London, kneeling, humbly 
defired his Majefty (becaufe he faw, as he faid, 
it was a time of moving Petitions) that he might 
have leave, to make two or three, 

Firft, that there might be amongft us, a 
Praying Miniftery another while ; for whereas, 
there are, in the Miniftery, many excellent du- 
ties to be performed, as the abfolving of the pe- 
nitent, praying for, and bleffing of the people, 
adminiftring of the Sacraments, and the like ; 

it 



( 41 ) 

it 13 come to that paffe now, that fome fort of 
men thought it the only duty required of a Mi- 
nifter, to fpend the time in fpeaking out of a 
Pulpit ; fometimes, God wot, very undifcreetly, 
and unlearnedly : and this, with fo great injury 
and prejudice, to the celebration of Divine fer- 
vice, that fome Minifters would be content to 
walk in the Church-yard, till Sermon time, ra- 
ther than to be prefent at publick prayer. He 
confevTed, that in a Church new to be planted, 
preaching was moft necefTary ; but among us, 
now long eftabliihed in the faith, he thought it 
not the only necefTary duty to be performed, 
and the other to be fo profanely neglected 
and contemned. Which motion his Majefty 
liked exceeding well, very acutely taxing the hy- 
pocrijie of our times, which place th all Religion in 
the ear, through which, there is an eafy paffage, 
but Prayer, which expreffeth the hearts affection, 
and is the true devotion of the mind, as a matter 
putting us to overmuch trouble (xvherein there 
concurre, if Prayer be as it ought, an impartial 
confideration for our own efiates, a due examina- 
tion to xvhom we pray, an humble confefjion of 
our fins, with an hearty for row for them; and 
repentance not fevered from Faith) is accounted 
and ufed as the leaft part of Religion. 

The feconcl was, that till fuch time as learned 

and 



( 42 ) 

and fufficient men might be planted in every 
Congregation, that Godly Homilies might be 
read, and the number of them increafed, and 
that the Opponents would labour to bring them 
into credit again, as formerly they brought 
them into contempt. Every Man (faith 
he) that can pronounce well, cannot indite 
well. 

The Kings Majefty approved this motion, efpe- 
dally, where the living is not fufficiait for main- 
tenance of a learned Preacher ; as alfo in places, 
where plenty of Sermons are, as in the City, and 
great Townes. In the Countrey villages where 
Preachers are not near together, he could wijh 
Preaching ; but where there are a multitude of 
Sermons, there he would have Homilies to be read 
divers times : And therein he ajked the affent of 
the Plaintiff's, and they confefe it. A preaching 
Minijtery, faith his Majefty, was bef, but where 
it might not be had, Godly prayers and exhorta- 
tions did much good. That that may be done, let 
it, and let the reft that cannot, be tolerated. 
Somewhat was here fpoken by the Lord Chan- 
cellor, of livings rather wanting learned Men, 
than learned Men livings. Many in the Univer- 
fities pining, Mafters, Batchelors, and up- 
wards: wiihing therefore, that fome might 
have fmgle coats, before other had dublets, and 

here 



( ^3 ) 

here his Lordfliip fhewed the courfe, that he 
had ever taken, in bellowing the Kings Bene- 
fices ; my Lord of London, commending his 
Honourable care that way, withall excepted that 
a dublet was neceiTary in cold weather : the 
Lord Chancellor replied, that he did it not for 
diflike of the liberty of our Church, in granting 
one Man two Benefices, but out of his own pri- 
vate purpofe and practice, grounded upon the 
fprefaid reafon. 

The lad motion, by my Lord of London was, 
that Pulpits, might not be made pafquils, 
wherein every humorous, or difcontented fellow 
might traduce his fuperiors. Which the King 
very gracioufy accepted, exceedingly reproving 
that, as a lewd cuftome ; threatning, that if he 
Jhould hut hear of fuch a one in a Pulpit, he 
would make him an example : concluding xvith a 
/age admonition to the opponents, that every Man 
Jliould folicite <§■ draw his friends to make peace, 
and if any thing were amiffe in the Church offi- 
cers, not to make the Pulpit the place of perfonal 
reproof, but to let his Majefty hear of it : yet by 
degrees. 

Firft, let complaint be to the Ordinary of the 
place, from him to go to the Arch-BiJJiop ; from 
him, to the Lords of his Majejiies Counfel, and 

from 



( 4* ) 

from them, if in all thefe places no remedy is 
found, to his own felf. Which caveat his Ma- 
jefty put in, for that the Bifhop of London had 
told him, that if he left himielf open to admit 
of all complaints, neither his Majefty mould 
ever be quiet, nor his under-officers regarded : 
feeing, that now already no fault can be cen- 
fured, but prefently the Delinquent threatneth 
a complaint to the King : and for an inftance, 
he added, how a Printer, whom he had taken 
faulty, very lately anfwered him in that very 
kind. 

Doctor Rein, commeth now to Subfcription, 
(which concerneth the fourth general head, as 
he firft propounded it, namely, The Communion 
Book)) taking occafion to leap into it here, as 
making the urging of it to be a great impeach- 
ment to a learned Miniftery, and therefore in- 
treated, it might not be exacted as heretofore, 
for which many good Men were kept out, other 
removed, and many difquieted. To fubfcribe 
according to the ftatutes of the Realm, namely, 
to the Articles of Religion, and the Kings Su- 
premacy, they were not unwilling. The reafon 
of their backwardneffe to fubfcribe otherwife 
was, firft the Books Apocrypal ; which the 
Common- Prayer Book injoyned to be read in the 
Church, albeit, there are, in fome of thofe 

Chapters 



( 45 ) 

Chaffers appointed, manifeft errors, diredlly re- 
pugnant to the Scriptures : the particular in- 
ftance, which he then inferred, was, Eccljf. 
43. 10, where he charged the Author of that 
Book, to have held the fame opinion with the 
Jewes at this day, namely, that Elias, in per- 
fon, was to come before Chrift, and therefore, 
as yet, Chrift, by that Reafon, not come in the 
flefh ; and fo, confequently, it implied a denial 
of the chief Article of our redemption ; his Rea- 
fon of thus charging the Author, was, becaufe 
that Ecclus ufed the very word of Elias, in per- 
fori, which the Prophet Malachy, Cap. 4. doth 
apply to an Ellas in refemblance, which both 
an Angel, Luke. 1. and our Saviour Chrift, 
Mat. 11. did interpret to be John Baptijh The 
anfwer was, as the objection, twofold. Firft, 
general, for Apocrypha Books ; The Bifhop of 
London ihewing, firft, for the antiquity of them, 
that the moll of the objections made againft 
thofe Books were the old Cavils of the Jewes, 
renewed by Saint Jerome in his time, who was 
the firft that gave them the name of Apocrypha 9 
which opinion, upon Ruffinus, his challenge, 
he, after a fort, difclaimed, the rather, becaufe 
a general offence was taken at his fpeeches in 
that kind, firft, for the continuance of them in 
the Church out of Kimedoncius, and Chsmni- 
tius, two modern writers 

The 



( 46 ) 

The Bilhop of Winton remembred the diftinc* 
tion of Saint Jerome, Canonici funt ad informan- 
dos mores, non ad confirmandam fidem, which 
distinction he faid, muft be held for the juilify- 
ing of fundry Councels. His Majefty in the end, 
faid, he would take an even order between both, 
affirming, that he would not wifh all Canonical 
Books to be read in the Church, unlejfe, there 
were one to interpret, nor any Apocrypha at all, 
wherein there was any error, but for the other, 
which were clear, and correfpondent to the Scrip- 
tures, he would have them read, for elfe, faith 
his JSIajefty, why were they printed? And 
therein Jhewed the ufe of the books of Machabees, 
very good to make up the Jlory of the perfecution 
of the Jewes ; but not to teach a man either to 
Sacrifizefor the dead, or to kill himfelf 

And here his Highneffe arofe from his chair, 
& withdrew himfelf into his inner chamber a 
little fpace, in the mean time a great queftion- 
ing was amongft the Lords, about that place of 
Eccluf with which, as if it had been their reft 
and upfhot, they began afrem, at his Majefties 
return ; J¥ho,fee'mg them fo to urge it, andftand 
upon it, calling for a Bible, firft Jhewed the Au- 
thor of that book, zvho he was, then the Caufe 
why he wrote that Book, next analyzed the Chap- 
ter it felf, Jhewing the precedents and confequents 

thereof ; 



( 47 ) 

thereof; lajtly, fo exactly and Divine like, un- 
folded the jumme of that place, arguing, and de~ 
monft "rating, that whatfoever Ben Sirach had /aid 
there of Elias, Elias had in his ownperfon, while 
he lived, performed and accompl'ijhed, fo that the 
Sufurrus, at the firft mention, was not fo great y 
as the aftonijhnent was nozv at the King his fud- 
den and found, and indeed, fo admirable an inter- 
pretation ; concluding, firft, with a ferioas check 
to Doctor Remolds, that it was not good to im- 
pofe upon a Man, that xvas dead, a fenfe never 
meant by him : Secondly, with a pleafant Apof- 
trophe to the Lords ; What, trow ye, make thefe 
Men fo angry with Ecclefiafticus ? By my Soul, 
I think he was a Bifliop, or elfe they would never 
ufe him fo. But for the general, it was appointed 
by his Majefty, that Doctor Rein, fihould note 
thofe Chapters in the Apocrypha books, where 
thofe ofifenfrce places were, and Jhould bring them 
unto the Lord Arch-Bimop of Canterb. againjl 
Wednefday next ; and fo he xvas willing to go on. 

The next Scruple againft Subfcription was, 
that old Crambe his pojita, that in the common 
Prayer Book, it is twice fet down, Jefus faid to 
his Difciples ; when as by the original text it is 
plain, that he /pake to the Pharifees. To which 
it was anfwered, that for ought that could ap- 
pear by the places, he might fpeak as well to 

his 



( 48 ) 

his Difciples, they being prefent, as to the Pha- 
rifees. But his Majefty keeping an even hand, 
willed that the word Difciples ihould be omitted, 
and the words Jefus /aid, to be printed in a dif- 
ferent letter, that might appear, not to be a 
part of the Text. 

The third objection againft Subfcription, were 
Interogatorks in Baptifm, propounded to In- 
fants, which being a profound point, was put 
upon Mafter Knewfiubs to purfue: who in a 
long and perplexed fpeech, faid fomething out 
of Auften, that Baptizare was credere, but what 
it was, his Majefty plainly confeffed, Ego non 
intelligo, and afked the Lords what they 
thought he meant? it feemed that one prefent 
conceived him, for he {landing at his back, 
bad him urge the puncl, urge that punc~r, that 
is a good point. My Lord of Winton aiming at 
his meaning, mewed him the ufe thereof out of 
Saint Anjlen, and added the Fathers reafon for it, 
Qui peccavit in altera, credat in altero ; which 
was feconded by his Majefty (whom it pleafed, 
for the reft of the matters which followed, him- 
felf alone to anfwer, and juftly might he appro- 
priate it to himfelf, for none prefent were able 
with quicker conceit to underftand, with a more 
fingular dexterity to refute, with a more judi- 
cious refolution to determine than his Majejly i 

herein 



( 49 ) 

herein being more admirable, that thefe points, 
wherein fome thought him prejudicial to the 
contrary, all of us fuppofed him to have been 
but a ftranger to them, he could fo intelligently 
apprehend, and fo readily argue about them,) 
it was, I fay, feconded by his Majefty ; firft. 

By Reafon that the queftion mould be pro- 
pounded to the party whom it principally con- 
cerned. 

Secondly, by example of himfelf to whom in- 
terrogatories were propounded when he was 
crowned in his Infancy, King of Scotland. 

And here his Majefty, (as hereafter at the end 
of every objection he did) afked them whether 
they had any more to fay. 

Mafler Knewfiuhs took exceptions to the 
Crofs in Baptifm, being in number two. 

Firft, the offence of weak brethren, grounded 
upon the words of Saint Paul, Rom. 14. and 1 
Cor. 8. viz. The confciences of the Weak, not 
to be offended : which places his excellent Majefty 
anfwered mod accutely, beginning with that 
general rule of the Fathers : Diftingue tempora, 
8$ concordabunt Scriptures. Shewing here the 
difference of thofe times and ours, then a Church 

E not 



( 50 ) 

not fully planted, nor fetled, but ours long efta- 
blijhed and fiourijhing ; then Chrijtians newly 
called from Paganifm, and not throughly grounded, 
which is not the cafe of this Church, feeing that 
Heathenijh Doctrine, for many years, hath been 
hence abandoned. 

Secondly, with a quejiion unanfwerable, a/king 
them how long they would be weak ? whether 45 
yeares were not fufficient for them to groxv 
flrong ? Thirdly, who they were pretended this 
weaknejje : For we, faith the King, require not 
now fubfcription of Laiks and Idiots, but Preach- 
ers end Minifters, who are not ft ill, I trow, to 
he fed with milk, but are enabled to feed othei^s. 

Fourthly, that it was to be doubted, fome of 
them were Jirong enough, if not headftrong, and 
howfoever they in this cafe pretended weaknefs, 
yet fome, in who fe behalf they now fpake, thought 
themfeltes able to teach him, and all the Bijhops 
of the Land. 

His objection againft the Crofs, confifted of 
three Interrogatories ; Firfr, whether the Church 
had power to inftitute an external fignificant 
fign ? to which was replied ; firft, that he mif- 
took the ufe of the Croffe with us, which was 

not 



( 51 ) 

not ufed in Baptifm, any otherwife than only as 
ceremony. 

Secondly, by their own example, who make 
imposition of hands in their ordination of Paf- 
tors, to be a fign fignificant. 

Thirdly, in prayer, faith the Biihop of Win- 
ton, the kneeling on the ground, the lifting up 
of our hands, the knocking of our breafts, are 
Ceremonies fignificant ; The firft, of our humi- 
lity coming before the mighty God; The fe- 
cond, of our confidence and hope ; the other, 
of our forrow and deteflation of our fins, and 
thefe are, and may lawfully be ufed. Laftly, 
M. Dean of the Chapel remembred the practife 
of the Jews, who unto the inftitution of the Paf- 
feover, prefcribed unto them by Mofes, had, as 
the Rabbins witneffe, added both fignes and 
words, eating fowre herbs, and drinking wine, 
with thefe words, to both, Take and eat thefe 
in remembrance, &;c. Drink this in remem- 
brance, <$c. Upon which addition and tradi- 
tion of theirs, our Saviour inftituted the Sacra- 
ment of his laft Supper, in celebrating it with 
the fame words, and after the fame manner ; 
thereby approving that fact of theirs in par- 
ticular, and generally, that a Church may 
inftitute and retain a figne fignificant : which 
fatisfied his Majefty exceeding well. 

E g And 



( 52 ) 

And here the King defer ed to have himfelf made 
acquainted about the antiquity of the ufe of the 
CroJJe, which Doctor Reynolds confeffed to have 
been ever fince the Apoftles times ; but this was 
the difficulty, to prove it of that ancient ufe in 
Baptifm. For that at their going abroad, or 
entering into the Church, or at their prayers and 
benedictions, it was ufed by the Ancients, de- 
fired no great proof: But whether in Baptifm, 
Antiquity approved it, was the doubt caft in by 
M. Deane of Sarum, whom his Majefty fingled 
out, with a fpecial Encomion, that he was a 
man well travelled in the Ancients : which 
doubt was anfwered, obfgnatis tabulis, by the 
Dean of JVejlminfkr, (whom the Kings Ma- 
jefty, upon my Lord of Londons motion, willed 
to fpeak to that point) out of TertulUati, Cy- 
prian, Origen, and others, that it was ufed in 
Immortali laroacro : which words being a little de= 
fcanted, it fell from one, I think it was my Lord 
of Winchefter, obiter, to fay, that in Confan- 
tine his time, it was ufed in Baptifm. What 
quoth the King, and is it now come to that pafje, 
that weftiall appeach Conftantine of Popery, and 
fuperftition ? if then it were ufed, faith his Majef- 
ty, I fee no reafon, but that fill we may continue it. 

Mafter Knmftubs his fecond queftion was, 
that put cafe, the Church had fuch power to 

adde 



( 53 ) 

adde fignificant fignes, whether it might there 
adde them, where Chrift had already ordained 
one ; which he faid was no lefTe derogatory, to 
Chrifts inftitution, as he thought, than if any 
Potentate of this Land, fhould prefume to adde 
his Seal to the great Seal of England. To which 
his Mqjejiy anfwered, that the cafe was not alike, 
for that no fign or thing was added to the Sacra- 
ment, which was fully and perfectly finiflied, be- 
fore any mention of the Crqffe is made, for confir- 
mation 'whereof he willed the place to be read, 

Laftly, if the Church had that power alfo, 
yet the greateft Scruple to their Confcience was, 
how farre fuch an ordinance of the Church was 
to bind them, without impeaching their Chrif- 
tian Liberty ? Whereat, the King, as it feemed, 
was much moved, and told him, he would not ar- 
gue that point with him, but anfwer therein, as 
Kings are wont to [peak in Parliament, Le Roy 
s'avifera, adding withall, that it fuelled very 
rankly of Anabaptifm : comparing it unto the 
ufage of a beardleffe boy, (one Mafier John 
Black) who the laft Conference his Majefty had 
with the Minifters in Scotland, (in December, 
1602 .) told him, that he would hold conformity 
with his Majejlies ordinances, for matters of doc- 
trine ; but for matters of Ceremonie, they were 
to be left in Chriftian Liberty to every man, as he 
E 3 received 



( 54 ) 

received more and more light, jrom the illumina- 
tion of Gods fpirit, even till they go mad, quoth 
the King, with their oxvn light : but I will none 
of that ; I will have one doctrine, and one dif- 
cipline, one Religion in fubfiance, and in ce- 
remony : and therefore I charge you never to 
[peak more to that point, (how far you are bound 
to obey ?) when the Church hath ordained it. 
And fo ajked them again, if they had any thing 
elfe to fay. 

Doctor Reynolds objected the example of the 
Brafen Serpent, demolished and llampt to pow- 
der by Ezechias, becaufe the people abufed it to 
Idolatry, wiming that in like fort, the Crofs 
fhould be abandoned, becaufe in the time of 
Popery, it had been fuperfritiouily abufed. 
Whereunto the Kings Majefty anfwered divers 
Avayes. Firft, quoth he, though I be fuffici- 
ently perfwaded of the Crofs in Baptifm, and 
the commendable ufe thereof in the Church fo 
long; yet, if there were nothing elfe to move 
me, this very argument were an inducement to 
me, for the retaining of it, as it is now by order 
efiabliihed : For inafmuch, as it was abufed, So 
you fay, to fuperftition, in time of Popery, it 
doth plainly imply, that it was well ufed before 
Popery. I will tell you, I have lived among this 
fort of men, (fpeaking to the Lords and Bi- 

fhops,) 



( 55 ) 

mops,) ever fince I was tenne years old, but I 
may fay of myfelf, as Chrift did of himfelf, 
Though I lived amongft them, yet fince I had 
ability to judge, I was never of them ; neither 
did any thing make me more to condemn, and 
deteft their courfes, than that they did fo pe- 
remptorily difallow of all things, which at all had 
been ufed in Popery. For my part, I know not 
how to anfwer the objection of the Papifts, 
when they charge us with Novelties : but truely 
to tell them, that their abufes are New, but the 
things which they abufed we retain in their Pri- 
mitive ufe, and forfake only the Novel corrup- 
tion. By this argument we might renounce the 
Trinity, and all that is holy, becaufe it was abu- 
fed in Popery : (and fpeaking to Doctor Rey- 
nolds merily) they ufed to wear hofe and mooes 
in Popery, therefore you mail now go bare- 
foot. 

Secondly, quoth his Majefty, what refem- 
blance is there between the Brafen Serpent, a 
material vifible thing, and the fign of the Croffe 
made in the Aire ? 

Thirdly, I am given to underftand by the 
Biihops, and I find it true, that the Papifts 
themfelves did never afcribe any power or fpiri- 

E 4 tuall 



( 56 ) 

tuall grace to the Signe of the CrorTe in Bap- 
tifm. 

Fourthly, you fee, that the material Croffes, 
which in time of Popery were made, for Men 
to fall down before them, as they palfed by 
them, to woifhip them (as the Idolatrous Jews 
did the Brafen Serpent) are demoliflied, as you 
defire. 

The next thing which was obje&ed, was, the 
wearing of the Surplis, a kind of garment, 
which the Priefts of IJis ufed to wear. Surely, 
faith his Majefty, untill of late, I did not think 
that it had been borrowed from the Heathen, 
becaufe it is commonly tearmed, a Ragge of 
Popery, in fcora ; but were it fo, yet neither 
did we border upon Heathenifh Nations, neither 
are any of them converfant with us, or commo- 
rant amqngft us, who thereby might take juft 
occafion to be flrengthned, or confirmed in Pa- 
ganifrn, for then there were juft caufe to fup- 
preffe the wearing of it : but feeing it appeared 
put of antiquity, that in the celebration of di- 
vine Service, a different habit appertained to the 
Miniftry ; and principal!}', of white Linnen, ; he 
faw no reafon, but that in this Church, as it had 
]?een, for comelineffe, and for order fake, it 
ixiight be ftill continued. This being his con- 

ilant 



( 57 ) 

flant and refolute opinion, that no Church 
ought further to feparate itfelf from the Church 
of Rome, either in Doctrine or Ceremony, than 
fhe had departed from herfelf, when fhe was in 
her tlouri/hing and befl eftate, and from Chrifl 
her Lord and Head. And here again he afked, 
what more they had to fay. 

D. Reynolds took exceptions at thofe words in 
the Common Prayer Book, of Matrimony, 
With my body I thee worjhip. His Majefty look- 
ing upon the place • I was made believe, (faith 
he) that the phrafe did import no leffe than Di- 
vine worfhip and adoration : but by the exami- 
nation I find, that it is an ufual Englifh tearm, 
as a Gentleman of worfhip, 8§c, And the fenfe 
agreeable unto Scriptures, Giving honour to the 
wife, S$c. But turning to Doctor Reyn. (with 
fmiling faith his Majefty) Many a man 
fpeakes of Robin Hood, who never mot in his 
Bow : if you had a good wife yourfelf, you 
would think all the honour and worfhip you 
could do to her, were well beftowed. 

The Dean of Sarum mentioned the Ring in 
marriage; which Do 8 or Reyn. approved, and 
fhe King confejjed that he was Manned wit hall ; 
find added, that he thought they xoould prove to 

be 



( 38 ) 

befcarce well Married, who are not Married wuh 
a Ring. 

He Ukezcife [pake of the Churching of women, 
by the name of Purification, which being read 
out of the book, his Majefty very well allowed it, 
and plea fantly faid, th at Women were loth enough 
of themfelves to come to Church, and therefore he 
wouMJwm^^ to draw 

them thither. 

And this was the fubftance and fumme of that 
third general point. At which pawfe, it grow- 
ing toward night, his Majefty afked again, if 
they had any more to fay : If they had, be- 
caufe it was late, they mould have another day ; 
but M. Doctor Reynolds told him, that they 
had but one point more, which was the laft ge- 
neral head ; but it pleafed his Majefty, fir ft to 
afk what they could fay to the Cornerd Cap ? 
They all approved it: Well then, faid his Ma- 
jefty, turning himfelf to the Bijhops, you may 
now fajely wear your Caps : but I Jhall tell you, 
if you Jhould walk in oneftreet in Scotland, with 
fuch a Cap on your head, if I were not with you, 
youjliould bejloned to death with your Cap. 

In the fourth general head touching Difci- 
pline, Doctor Reyn. firft took exception to the 

committing 



( 59 ) 

committing of Ecclefiaftical cenfures unto Lay- 
Chancellors ; his reafon was, that in the Statute 
made in King Henry his time, for their Autho- 
rity, that was abrogated in Queen Maries time, 
and not revived in the late Queens daies : and 
abridged by Bifhops themfelves 1571. Order- 
ing that the laid Lay-Chancellors mould not ex- 
communicate in matters of Correction, and An. 
1584, and 1589. Not in matters of inftance, 
but to be done onely by them, who had power of 
the Keies : His Majejty anfwered; He had already 
conferred with his Bifhops, about that point, and 
that fuch order Jhould betaken therein, as was 
convenient, willing him in the mean time, to go 
to fome other matter, if he had any. Then he 
defireth, that according to certain provincial 
conftitutions, they of the Clergy might have 
meetings once every three weekes. 

Firft, in Rural Deanries, and therein to have 
Prophecying, according as the reverend Father 
Arch-Bifhop Grindall, and other Bifhops defired 
of her late Majefty *. 

Secondly, that fuch things as could not be 
refolved upon there, might be referred to the 
Archdeacons Vifitation, and fo 

* i. Cor, 14, 

Thirdly, 



( 60 ) 

Thirdly, from thence to the Epifcopal Sy- 
node, where the Bilhop with his Prefbytery, 
fhould determine all fuch points, as before could 
not be decided. 

At which fpeech, his Majefty was fomewhat 
ftirred ; yet, which is admirable in him, with- 
out paffion, or mew thereof; thinking that 
they aymed at a Scotiih Prefbytery, which, 
faith he, as well agreeth with a Monarchy, as 
God and the Devil. Then Jack, and Tom, and 
Will, and Dick jhall meet, and at their plea fur es 
cenfure me and my Councel, and all our proceed- 
ings : Then Will Jhall ft and up and fay, It muft 
he thus ; then Dick jhall reply and fay, nay 
Marry, hut we will have it thus. And therefore, 
here I muft once reiterate my former fpeech, Le 
Roy s'avifera ■ Stay I pray you, for one feven 
years, before you demand that of me : and if then 
you find me purfy and fat, and my wind pipes 
ftujfed, I will perhaps hearken to you : for let 
that Government be once up, I am fare IjJiall be 
kept in breath, then jhall zve all of us have work 
enough, both our hands full. But Doctor 
Reynolds, till you find that I grow lazy, let that 
alone. 

And here, becaufe that Doctor Reyn. had 
twice before obtruded the Kings Supremacie; 

firft, 



( 61 ) 

firft, in the Article concerning the Pope ; Se- 
condly, in the point of fubfcription ; his Ma- 
jefty at thofe times faid nothing : But now 
grozvlng to an end, he faid, I Jliall fpeak of one 
matter more ; yet fomexvhat oat of order : but it 
fkilleth not. Doclor Reynolds quoth the King, 
you have often fpokenfor my Supremacy ; and it 
is well ; but know you any here, or any elfewhere, 
who like of the prefent Government Ecclefiqftical, 
that find fault or diflike my Supremacy ? Doclor 
Reynolds faid, No. Why then, faid his Ma- 
jefty, I will tell you a Tale. After that the Re- 
ligion reft or ed by King Edward the Sixth, was 
foon overthrozvn, by the fuccejfion of Queen Mary 
here in England, we in Scotland/e^ the effecl of 
it. Whereupon Mafter Knox writes to the 
Queen Regent, (of whom without flattery, I 
may fay, that Jhe was a vertuous and moderate 
Lady,) telling her that Jhe was Supream Head of 
the Church, and charged her, as jhe would an- 
fiver it before Gods tribunal, to take care of 
Chrift his Evangill, and of fuppr effing the Popijh 
Prelates, who withftood the fame. But hozo 
long, trozv ye, did this continue ? Even fo long, 
till by her authority, the PopiJJi Bifhops were re- 
prefied, he hhiifelfi and his Adherents were 
brought in, and well fettled, and by thefe meanes 
made Jlrong enough, to undertake the matters of 
Reformation themfelves. Then he, they began to 

make 
1 



( 62 ) 

make fmall account of her Supremacy, nor would 

Ivnger reft on her authority, but took the caufe 

into their oxen hand, and according to that more 

light wherewith they were illuminated, made a 

further lie formation of Religion. How they 

ufed that poor Lady my Mother, is not unlmown, 

and with grief I may remember it : zvho, becaufe 

Jhe had not been othenoife injlrucled, did defire, 

only a private Chapel/, xcherein to ferve God 

after her manner, with fome few felecled per fons, 

but her fupremacy was not fujfeient to obtain it 

at their hands : And how they dealt with me in 

my minority, you all know, it was not done fe- 

cretly, and though I would, I cannot conceal it, 

I will apply it thus. And then putting his hand 

to his Hat, his Majejiy /aid, my Lords, the 

Bijhops, I may thank you, that theft men do 

thus plead for my Supremacy : They think they 

cannot make their party good againji you, but by 

appealing unto it, as if you, or fome that adhere 

unto you, were not well affected towards it. But 

if once you were out, and they in place, L know 

what would become of my fupremacy. No Bi- 

Jhop, no King, as before L faid. Neither do I 

thus fpeak at randome, without ground, for I 

have obferved fince my comming into England, 

that fome Preachers before me, can be content to 

pray for James King of England, Scotland, 

France, and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, 

but 



( 63 ) 

but as for fupream Governor, in all caufes, and 
over all perfons (as well Ecclejiajiical as Civil) 
they pa (fe that over withjilence, 8$ what cat they 
have been of, I after learned. After this, 
a/king them, if they had any more to ohjecl, and 
Doctor Reyn. anjwering no ; His Majefty ap- 
pointed the next JVednefday for both parties to 
meet before him, and rifing from his Chair, as 
he was going to his inner Chamber, If this be 
all, quoth he, that they have to fay, IJJiallmake 
them conform themfelves, or I will harry them 
out of this Land, or elfe do worfe. 

And this was the fumme of the fecond dayes 
Conference, which raifed fuch an admiration in 
the Lords, in refpect of the King his Angular 
readyneffe, and exacl: knowledge, that one of 
them faid, he was fully perfwaded, his Majefty 
fpake by the inftincl; of the Spirit of God. My 
Lord Cicil acknowledged, that very much we 
v are bound to God, who had given us a King of 
an underftanding heart. My Lord Chancellor 
paffing out of the privy Chamber, faid unto the 
Dean of Chejier, {landing by the door ; I have 
often heard and read, that Rev eft mixta per- 
fona cum Sacerdote, but I never faw the truth 
thereof till this day. 

Surely, whofoever heard his Majefty, might 



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jufily think, that title did more properly fit hirn^ 
which Eunapius gave to that famous Rhetori- 
cian j in faying, that he was, (ZiQxMw rig ip-v- 
^PC© - * *°" irtgiirwrw pzvfiovy A living Library and 
a Walking Studie. 



Finis fecundm dieL 



THE 



THE 



THIRD DAYES 

CONFERENCE 



UPON Wednefday, January 18. all the Bi- 
iliops, aforenamed, attended at the Court, 
and the Deanes : who were all called int© the 
Privy Chamber, and who fo elfe my Lord 
Arch-Bifhop appointed, (for fuch was his Ma- 
jeures pleafure) whereupon the Knights and 
Doctors of the Arches, viz. Sir Daniel Dunne, 
Sir Thomas Crumpton, Sir Richard Swale, Sir 
John Bennet, and Doctor Drury entred in. As 
foon as the King was fet, the Lord Arch-Bifhop 
prefented unto him a note of thofe points, which 
his Majefty had referred to their consideration, 
upon the firft day, and the alteration, or rather 
explanation of them in our Liturgie. 

1. Abfolution or Remiffion of finnes, in the 
Kubrick of Abfolution. 

F a. In 



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0. In private Baptifm, the lawful! Minifter 
prefent 

3. Examination, with Confirmation of Chil- 
dren. 

4. Jefus faid to them ; twice to be put into 
the Dominical Gofpels, inftead of Jefus faid to 
his Difciples. 

His Majefty here, taking the Common Prayer 
Book, and turning to private Baptifm, willed, 
thai where the xcords were (in the Rubrick, the 
fecond Paragraph) They Baptize not Chil- 
dren, Now it Jhould be thus read ; They caufe 
not children to be baptized ; and again in the 
fame paragraph, for thofe words; Then they 
Minifter it, it Jhould be; The Curate, or lawful 
Minifter prefent, mall do it on this fafhion. 
Concluding very gravely, that in this Conference,, 
he aimed at three things principally ; Firji, The 
felting down of words fit and convenient ; #e-> 
condly, Contriving how things might be beji 
done, without appearance of alteration; Third- 
ly, Pratlifed, that each man may do his duty in 
his place. 

After this, his Majefly fell into difcourfe about 

the high Commiffion, wherein he faid, that he 

6 '■■. underflood, 



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underjtbod, how the parties named therein, were 
too many and too mean ; that the matters they 
dealt in xoere bafe, and fuch as Ordinaries at 
home in their Courts might cenfure ; that the 
branches granted out to the Bijhops in their fede- 
ral Dioceffes, were too frequent and large. To 
which, my Lords Grace anfwered feverally. 
Firft, for the number, it was requifite it mould 
be great, for otherwife, he muft be forced, as 
oft-times now it fell out, to fit alone, becaufe, 
that albeit all the Lords of the Privy Counfel 
were in, all the Bifhops, many of the Judges at 
Law, and fome of the Clerks of the CounceJ, 
yet very few, or none of them, fitting with him 
at ordinary times, fome of meaner place, as 
Deanes, and Doctors of Divinity, and Law, 
mull needs be put in ; whofe attendance his 
Grace might with more authority command and 
expect. Secondly, for the matters handled 
therein, he faid, that he oftentimes had com- 
plained thereof, but faw that it could not be re- 
medied ; becaufe, that the fault may be of that 
nature, as that the ordinary jurifdicYion might 
cenfure it: but eftfoones it falls out, that the 
party delinquent is too great, and fo the Ordi- 
nary dare not proceed againft him ; or fo migh- 
ty in his (late, or fo wilful in his contumacie, 
that he will not obey the Summons or cenfure ; 
and fo the Ordinary is forced to crave help at 
F 2 the 



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the High CommhTion. To the third, his Gracs 
faid, that it concerned not him to make anfwer 
thereunto, for fuch Commiffions have been 
granted againlt his will oftentimes, and without 
his knowledge for the moil part. My Lord 
Chancellor therefore offered it to his Majefties 
wifdom to confider, if fuch Commiffions mould 
not be granted to any Bifhop, but fuch as have 
the largeft Btoceffes, which his Majefty well ap- 
proved: and added withall, that thofe Bijhops 
who have in their Diocejfes, the moji troublefome 
and refraEtory perfons, either Papijls, or Puri- 
tans : but of this, as alfo of the other things 
found fault with herein, he willed thofe to con- 
fute, to zrfwm JJwuld be appointed the reviexv of 
the Commiffion. And here that point had end- 
ed, but that one of the Lords, (I think verily 
rather upon mifinformation, than fet purpofe,) 
pleafed to fay, that the proceeding thereby, 
was like unto the Spanijh Inquifition, wherein 
men were urged to fubfcribe more than Law re- 
quired ; that by the Oath Ex officio, they were 
in forced to accufe themfelves ; that they were ex- 
amined upon 20, or 24. Articles, upon the fud- 
den, without deliberation, and for the moll. 
part againft themfelves : for the evidence 
thereof, a letter was mewed of an ancient Ho- 
nourable Councellor, written to the Lord Arch- 
Biihop, Anno. 1584, of two Miniiters of Cam- 

bridgejhire f 



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bridge/hire, then or there abouts, examined 
upon many Articles, and in the end deprived, 
The Lord Arch-Bimop anfwered, firft, to the 
matter, that in the manner of proceeding, and 
examining, bis Lordfhip was deceived: for if 
any Article did touch the party any way, either 
for life, liberty, or fcandal, he might refitfe t© 
anfwer, neither was be urged thereunto. Se- 
condly, to the letter, being in a caufe twenty 
years fince determined, he could not anfwer the 
particulars, but if his anfwer to that letter were 
found out* he doubted not, but as it did fatisfie 
that honourable Councellour when he lived, fo 
it would alfo fufficiently clear this complaint be- 
fore his Majeiiy. 

My Lord of London, for the matter of Sub- 
fcription, iliewed his HighnevTe the 3. Articles 
which the Church-men of England, are to ap- 
prove by Subfcribing; namely, the Kings Su- 
premacy, the Articles of Religion, and the 
Book of Common Prayer. All which it pleafed 
his Majefty himfelf, to read, (and after a little 
glance given, that the mention of the Oath Ex 
officio, came in before his due time) he dilated, 
firft, how rieceifary Subfcription was, in every 
well governed Church ; that it was to be urged, 
for the keeping of peace : for as Laws to prevent 
killing, did provide there mould be no quarrel- 

F S ling; 



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ling ; fo to prevent greater tumults in the 
Church, fubfcription was requifite. Secondly, 
becaufe the\Biihop is to anfwer for every Mini- 
fter, whom he admitteth into his DiocefTe, it 
were fitted for him, to know the affection of 
the party before his admittance, the bed way to 
know him, and to prevent future factions, was 
to urge his fubfcription at his firft entrance i 
for, Turpiiis ejicitur, quam non admit titur hofpes. 
Thirdly, as fubfcription was a good meanes to 
difcern the affection of perfons, whether, quiet 
or turbulent ; Withall it was the principal way to 
amid confujion : concluding, that if any, after 
things were well ordered, would not be quiet, and 
Jhezo his obedience, the Church were better with- 
out him, he were worthy to be hanged, Praeftat 
ut pereat unus, quam unitas. 

Touching the Oath -Ex officio, the Lord 
Chancellor, and after him the Lord Treafurer, 
fpake both for the neceffity, and ufe thereof in 
diverfe Courts, & cafes. But his Excellent 
Majefty preventing that old allegation, Nemo 
cogitur. detegere fuam turpitudinem, /aid, that 
the Civil proceedings only puniJJied fads, but in 
Courts Ecclejiajiical, it was requifite, that Tame 
and Scandals jhould be looked unto. That here 
was necejjary, the Oath Compurgatorie, and the 
Oath Ex officio too ; and yet great moderation 

Jhould 



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Jhould be ufed, firft, In gravioribus criminibus : 
and Secondly, in fuch, whereof there is a pub lick 
fame : Thirdly, in diftinguifiiing of publick Fame, 
either caufed by the inordinate demeanor of the 
offendor, or raifed by the undifcreet proceeding in 
trial of the facl : as namely in Scotland, where 
the lying with a wench (though done privately, 
and known, or fcarce fufpecled by two or three 
perfons before) was made openly knoxvn to the 
King, to the Queen, to the Prince, to many 
hundreds in the Court, by bringing the parties to 
the fool of Repentance, and yet pei^haps be but a 
fufpicion only. And here his Majcfty fo foundly 
defcribed the Oath Ex -officio : Firft, for the 
ground thereof : Secondly, The wifdom of the 
Law therein ; Thirdly, The manner of proceeding 
thereby, and the necejjary and profitable effeel 
thereof, in fuch a compendious, but abfolute or- 
der, that all the Lords and the reft of the prefent 
Auditors, food amazed at it : The Arch-Biihop 
of Canterbury faid that undoubtedly his Majefty 
fpake by the fpecial affiftance of Gods Spirit. 
The Bifhop of London upon his knee, protefted, 
that his heart melted within him, (as fo he 
doubted not, did the hearts of the whole Com- 
pany) with joy, and made hafte to acknowledge 
unto Almighty God, the Angular mercy we 
have received at his hands, in giving us fuch a 
King, as fince Chrift his time, the like he 
F 4 thought 



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thought had not been, whereunto the Lords 
with one voice, did yield a very affectionate Ac- 
clamation. The Civilians prefent confeffed, 
that they could not in many houres warning, 
have fo judicially, plainly, and accurately, and 
in fuch a brief manner have defcribed it. 

After this, his Majejiy committed fome 
weighty mutters to be confulted of, by the Lords 
and Bijhops ; Eirfi, for Excommunication, in 
caufes of leffe moment the name or cenfure to be 
altered, fecondly, for the high Commiffion, the 
quality of the perfons to be named, and the na- 
ture of the caufes to be handled therein. Third- 
ly, for recufant Communicants ; for there art 
three forts, faith his Majejiy, of Papifis : Some, 
firfl, which come to Sermons, but not to femice 
and prayer ; fecondly, fome which come to both 
them, but not to the Communion; timidly, a 
number which abftain from all That inquiry 
might be made of all thofe, who were of the firfl, 
fecond, or third rank, concluding therein, That 
the weak were to be informed, the wilful to be pu- 
nijhed. 

Here my Lord Chancellor mentioned the writ 
De Excommunicato capiendo, which his Honor 
laid did moll affright the Papifts, of all other 
puniiliments, becaufe by reafon of that they 

were 



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were many wayes difabled in law : therefore he 
would take order, if his Majefty fo pleafed, to 
fend that writ out againft them freely without 
charge, and if they were not executed, his Lord- 
ihip would lay the Under- iherhTes in Prifon, and 
to this the King affented. 

The fourth thing to be confulted of zvas for the 
finding and appointing of Preachers into Ireland, 
whereof, faith his Majefty, I am but half a 
King, being Lord over their bodies, but their 
foules feduced by Popery, he much pittied, affirm- 
ing, that where there is not true Religion, there 
can be no continued obedience : nor for Ireland 
only, but for fome part of Wales, and the Nor- 
thern borders, fo once called, though noiv no bor- 
ders : the men to be fent, not to be fatlious, or 
fiandalous, for weeds will be weeds, whei^efoever 
they be, and are good for nothing, but to be 
piked over the wall, therefore they Jhould Jin- 
gle out men of fincerity, of knowledge, of cou- 
rage. 

The lafl was, for provifion of fufficient mainte- 
nance for the Clergie ; ana I wit hall, for the plant- 
ing of a learned and painful Minifter in every Pa- 
rijh, as time fliall ferve. 

To every of thefe, his Majefty willed that feveral 

Commi/Jioners 



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Commiffioners of his Councel and Bijhops Jhould 
be appointed by the Lords upon the dijfolvmg the 
qffemhty prefent. 

And thus having conferred of thefe points 
with the Biihops, and referred other fome of 
them, as you heard, to fpecial Committies, his 
Majefty willed, that Doctor Reyn. and his affo- 
ciates, mould be called in, to whom, he pre- 
fently fignified, what was done, and caufed the 
alterations, or explications, before named, to 
be read unto them. A litle difputing there 
was, about the words in Marriage, With my 
body I thee xvorjhip, and arguing no other thing* 
to be meant, by the word worfliip, than -that, 
which Saint Paul willeth, 1. Cor. 7. 4. the man 
thereby acknowledging, that hereby he wor- 
fhipeth his wife, in that he appropriated his 
body unto her alone : nor any more, than that 
which S. Peter counfelleth, 1. Pet. 3. 7. That 
the man mould give honour to his wife, as the 
weaker veffel ; yet for their fatisfacYion mould 
be put in, With my body I thee wor/hip, and 
honour, if it were thought fit ; and fo his Ma- 
jefty fhut up all with a moft pithy exhortation 
to both fides for Unity, perfwading diligence in 
each mans place, without violence on the one 
party, or difobedience on the other, and willed 
them to deal with their friends abroad to that 

purpofe : 



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£m!'pofe : For his Majefty feared, and had feme 
experience, that many of them were tickliili 
and humorous ; nor that only, but labourers to 
pervert others to their fancies ; he now faw that 
the exceptions againft the Communion Book, 
were matters of weakneffe ; therefore if the per- 
fons reluctant be difcreet, they will be won be- 
times, and by good perfwafions ; if undifcreet, 
better they were removed : For many by their 
factious behaviour were driven to be Papifts. 
Now then of their fruits he mall judge them, 
obedience and humility being marks of Honeft 
and good men. & is expected of them ; and by 
their example and perfwafion of all their fort 
abroad, for, if hereafter, things being thus well 
ordered, they fhould be unquiet, neither his 
Majefty, nor the ftate, had any caufe to think 
well of them. 

To which, they gave all their unanimous at 
fent, taking exceptions againft nothing that 
was faid or done, but promifed to perform all 
duty to the Bifhops, as their Reverend Fathers, 
and to joyn with them againft the common ad- 
verfaries, and for the quiet of the Church. 

Only, Mafter Chatterton, of Emmanuel CoU 
Uge y kneeling, requefted that the wearing of 
the Surplis, and the ufe of the CrofTe in Bap- 

tifm, 



( re j 

tifm, might not be urged upon fome honen\ 
godly, and painful Minifters in fome parts of 
Lancajhire, who feared, that if they mould be 
forced to them, many whom they had won to 
the Gofpel, would Hide back, and revolt unto 
Popery again ; and particularly, inftanced the 
Vicar of Ratefdale (he could not have light 
upon a worfe,) for not many years before, he 
was proved before my Lord Arch Biihop, as his 
Grace there teftified, and my Lord Chancel- 
lour, by his unfeemly, and unreverent ufage 
of the Eucharift, dealing the bread out of a 
bafket, every man putting in his hand, and 
taking out a peece, to have made many loath 
the Communion, and wholly refufe to come to 
Church. 

His Majefty anficered, that it was not his pur- 
pofe, and he durfi an fiver for the Bijhops, that it 
was not their intent, prefently, and out of hand 
to inforce thofe tilings, without Fatherly admo- 
nitions, conferences and perfwafions premifed ; 
but wifhed, that it mould be examined, if thofe 
men by their pains and preaching, had con* 
verted any from Popery, and were withall men 
of quiet difpofition, honed of life, and diligent 
in their calling; if fo, Letters mould be writ- 
ten to the Biiliop of Chejler, (of whom his Ma- 
jefty gave a very good teftimony) to that pur- 
9 pofe, 



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pofe ; if not, but that they were of a turbulent 
& opofite Spirit, both they, & others of that un- 
quiet humor, mould prefently be enforced to a 
conformity : and fo for that point, it was con- 
cluded, that my Lord Arch-bimop ihould write 
to the Biiliop of Chejler, his Letters for that 
matter. 

My Lord of London replieth, that if this were 
granted, the Copy of thefe letters (efpecially, if 
his Majejiy had written, as at fi rft it was purpo- 
{ed) would flie over all England, and then 
others, for their confines, would make the fame 
requeft, and fo no fruit would follow of this 
Conference, but things would be worfe than 
they were before. 

Therefore he humbly defired his Majejiy, 
that a time mould be limited, within which 
compaffe, they mould conform themfelves. To 
which his Majejiy readily ajfented, and willed, 
that the Bijhop of the DioceJJb, Jhould fet them 
down the time, and in the mean while conferred 
with them, and if they would not yield, whatfo-* 
ever they were, to remove them, after their time 
expired. 

No fooner was that motion ended, but down 
falls Matter Knewftubs. and he requefts the like 

favour 



( n j 

favour of forbearance, for fome honefi Minfc 
Iters in Suffolk, telling the King, it would 
make much againfl their Credits in the Coun- 
try, to be now forced to the Surplis, and the 
Croffe in Baptifm. My Lords Grace was an- 
fwering ; Nay, faith his Mqjejty, let me alone 
with him. Sir, faith the King, you Jhexv your 
felf an uncharitable man, we have here taken 
paines, and in the end have concluded of an unity, 
and uniformity, and you forfooth, muft prefer re 
the Credits of a few private men, before the ge- 
neral peace of the Church : this is juji the SeotiJIi 
Argument ; for when any thing was there con^ 
eluded, which difliked fome humors, the only rea- 
fon why they would not obey, was, it food not 
with their credits to yield, having fo lo?ig time 
been of the contrary opinion ; I will none of that, 
faith the King, and therefore, either let them 
conform themfelves, and that Jhortly, or theyjhall 
hear of it. My Lord drill put his Majefty in 
mind, of a word his HighnevTe had ufed the day 
before, namely, of Ambling Communions, fay- 
ing, that the indecency thereof, was very offen- 
sive, and had driven many from the Church : 
And here M after Chatterton was told of fitting 
Communions in Emanuel College ; which he 
faid was fo, by reafon of the feats fo plac'd as 
they be, yet that they had fome kneeling alfo. 

Finally, 



( 79 ) 

finally, they joyntly promifed to be quiet 
and obedient, now they knew it to be the Kings 
mind to have it fo. His Majefties gracious con- 
clufion was fo piercing, as that it fetched tears 
from fome on both fides. My Lord of London 
ended all, in the name of the whole company, 
with a Thankfgiving unto God for his Majefty, 
and a prayer for the health and profperity of his 
HighnerTe, our gracious Queen, the young 
Prince, and all their Royal IfTue. 

His Majefty departed into the inner Cham- 
ber : All the Lords prefently went to the Coun- 
cil Chamber, to appoint Commiffioners for the 
feveral matters before referred. 



FINIS, 



TH£ PREFACE. 

li/TANY Copies were fent me, "whereof fomt 
JJtJL were p G Jhamelefsly untrue, and I afjure you 
fo obfcmie, that I think his Majefy would have 
been as much offended with me for Printing, as 
with the Authors for difperjing them ; I have 
chofen thereof the hefi and cleanliefl, which do 
here under follow. 

I give no Cenfure, neither know I the difper- 
fer$ 9 let the Reader confer re and judge, Reftum 
eft judex fui & obliqui* 



THE FIRST COPY. 



January y 15. 1603. 

vOIR, I cannot conceal from you the good 
^ fuccefs which it hath pleafed God to fend us, 
by the Conference which his Majefiy had with 
the Bifhs. at the Court. There appeared none 
but the Bifhs. which were with the King above 
three hours. Canter. Lond. JVint. fell down on 
their knees, and defired, that all things might 
remain, left the Papifts mould think we have 
been in an errour. The King replyed, that in 
4g. years corruptions might creep in. 

He fpake of Confirmation, private Baptifm, 
the Crofs, dumb Miniftery, Non refidence, the 
Courts, which he promifed to amend, efpecially 
he fpake bitterly againft private Baptifm, fay- 
ing, he had as lieve an Ape as a Woman ihould 
baptize his Child, and againft Courts, which 
he faid he would put down. The Lord Chief 
Juftice, and the Lord Keeper fpake much 
againft them, and the Lord Ceciil againft Excom- 
munications . by Lay-men. M. Dean of the 

G Chapel 



\ 



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Chapel fpeaking fomething to the King in. his 
ear, the Biihop of London infolently faid unto 
him, Doctor Montague, fpeak out, that we 
may hear you, and feek not to cfolfe us. At 
their departure they faid, that if the King 
mould ufe the Minifters in fuch fort, as they 
were ufed, they would be too infolent. The 
King faid, they were his fubjecls, and if he 
would not hear them, then they had juft caufe 
to complain. The Bifliops brought forth many 
Popi/h arguments, which the King very ear- 
nestly anfwered, and learnedly, more than ten 
times calling them Papifh arguments, and faid, 
by thofe reafons they might prove Popery. 
The Biihop of JVincheJier faid, that if he took 
away private Baptifm, he overthrew all anti- 
quity. The Biihop of Peterbproxv brought forth 
a fooliih argument, with much difgrace to him- 
felf. The Bifliops having taken Wednefday, to 
confider of the Kings fpeech, the Minifters 
came to the King on Monday at nine of the 
clock. Honeft men about the Court are com- 
forted. Conformitans hang down their head% 
and the Bifliops men curfe the Puritans. 

Sic explicit prima dies. 



ANOTHER 



ANOTHER COPY. 



Have fent you the declaration of the Confer- 
-*- ence, the which was in this manner: the 
firft day the Bifhops of Canterbury, London, 
and Winchefter, making earned fute, that all 
things might ftand as they did, left the Papifts 
mould take offence, who might fay, we would 
perfwade them to come to a Church, having 
errours in it; and the Puritans will fay, they 
have been perfecuted long. The King an- 
fwered, That the beft flate would gather cor- 
ruptions, and that it was no Argument for 
them to fay, They would not be cured of the 
Pox, becaufe they had it 30. years. He con- 
cluded againft Abfolution, Confirmation, pri- 
vate Baptifm, the dumb and fcandalous Mini- 
fters, Pluralities, the Courts, and the authority 
of the Bifhops by the high Commiffioners, fyc. 
The fecond day the Ministers were convented 
before the King, who anfwered fearfully and 
modeftly : the Bifhop of London behaved him- 

G 2 felf 






( §4 ) 

ielf infolently, faying thefe are Cartwrights 
Schollars, Schifmatikes, breakers of your Ma- 
jefties Laws, you may know them by their 
Turky gownes and filk Turky Grogaram. The 
third clay, they met all, where the King fpake 
much to unity, that they might joyn againft 
the Papifts. All the three daies the King be- 
haved himfelf admirable to the beholders, grant- 
ing to the Minifters their earneft requeft, that 
the Ceremonies of the Crofs in Baptifm, and 
the Surplifes, reverent for antiquity, mould not 
be urged upon the confciences of the Minifters, 
ib that they were peaceable men, and that they 
iliould have time to coniider of them, many 
hundreds being refolvecl rather to have loft their 
places, than to have yielded to thofe fuperfti- 
tions, againft which they had preached. The 
laft day the Bimop of Canterbury was intreated, 
to be a meanes that the Ceremonies might not 
be preffed : but he anfwered, they had been 
urged as neeeffary, and mould be fo (till. But 
it pleafed God to move his Majefty to a more 
peaceable courfe : the Biihop of Peterborow 
came in with his argument about Baptifm, which 
the King made void to his great reproach : The 
King faid many times, that the Bifhops reafons 
were Popifh, and that they might eftablifh Po- 
pery by them : it is thought that the King will 
be ihortly in Ilnntington-Jhire. The Lord 

Chancellor, 



( M ) 

Chancellor, the Lord Cicitt, the Lord Chief 
Jujlice, and the Atturney Generally mull fet 
down fome courfe for the high Commiffion, and 
the fpiritual CourtSo 



A THIRD 



A THIRD COPY. 



Some of the fpeecbes that are bruted, upon M. 
Doctor Reynold's return to Oxon, concerning 
the late conference before his Majejly. 



1. HP HAT the Kings Majefty did gratifie 
-*- Mafter Doctor Reynolds in every thing 
which he propofed : or that Doctor Reynolds 
obtained and prevailed in every thing he did de- 
fire. 

2. That if any man report the contrary, he 
doth lie, or that they fhould give him the lie, 
from M. Doctor Reynolds. 

3. That thefe things now obtained by the re- 
formers, were but the beginning of reformation : 
the greater matters are yet to come. 

4. That my Lord of JVinton ftood mute, and 
faid little or nothing. 

5. That 



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5. That my Lord of London called Doctor 
Reynolds Schifmatick indeed (he thanks him for 
it) but otherwife faid little to purpofe. 

6. That the Kings Majefly ufed the Biihops 
with very hard words, but imbraced Matter 
Do6lor Reynolds, and ufed moil kind fpeeches 
to him. 

7. That my Lord of Canterbury, or my Lord 
of London, falling on his knees, befought his 
Majefty to take their caufe into his own hands, 
and to make fome good end of it, fuch as might 
ftand with their credit, 



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